Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
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yes, 'slash' had its origin on the fact that 'ships' were written with a slash between the characters. You could say all ships are slash, in that sense, since all can be written that way. But believe me, no one in fandoms will call het (m/f) couples slash, it's not about what is appropriate, it's a whole genre that is 'slash' now.
While contemplating JK+CM (you know, Jim Kirk and Carol Marcus), and then S+NU, I noticed that Nyota Uhura's initials spell "NU." How meta!
All a cunning ploy to replace the "True Vision of Gene Roddenberry" with Abrams hideous corporate agenda!
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Actually, I noticed it once before, while momentarily having an argument with myself regarding whether it should be nuUhura or nu-Uhura, or if nUhura would suffice. But for whatever reason, its central significance didn't quite sink in at the time. 
In the lifestyle D/s & M/s serves to describe the power exchange dynamic.
yes, 'slash' had its origin on the fact that 'ships' were written with a slash between the characters. You could say all ships are slash, in that sense, since all can be written that way. But believe me, no one in fandoms will call het (m/f) couples slash, it's not about what is appropriate, it's a whole genre that is 'slash' now.
Well stated, Franklin. While I am not a fan of Spock/Uhura, in the new movies, your writing made a good point about their relationship to the story.
AWESOME!
There actually is some middle-ground between aping TOS to the letter and doing things exactly how things were done in nuTrek. I also don't think hooking up a female character with her "boss" enhances that character or scores any points for feminism. This is just a false dichotomy. By all means let Beyond be different from TOS, but in a GOOD way this time.
Also, I am tired of comparisons of isolated lines in early TOS like "The Women!" to nuSpock's outbursts like "Khaaaan!" It's generally accepted that STID went over the line into self-parody with Spock yelling Khan, and that people often laughed in the audience. You can rationalize an emotional Spock, but it destroyed suspension of disbelief, even I'd guess with a lot of those who gave it a generally favorable review on the oft-linked Rotten Tomatoes user-rating.
I don't want to see Beyond stubbornly double-down on some of these bad creative decisions that were made on the previous two films. It has a chance to smooth off the rough edges. Even Zoe Saldana would like to see the Uhura/Spock thing just fade away.
Also, I am tired of comparisons of isolated lines in early TOS like "The Women!" to nuSpock's outbursts like "Khaaaan!" It's generally accepted that STID went over the line into self-parody with Spock yelling Khan, and that people often laughed in the audience. You can rationalize an emotional Spock, but it destroyed suspension of disbelief, even I'd guess with a lot of those who gave it a generally favorable review on the oft-linked Rotten Tomatoes user-rating.
I don't want to see Beyond stubbornly double-down on some of these bad creative decisions that were made on the previous two films. It has a chance to smooth off the rough edges. Even Zoe Saldana would like to see the Uhura/Spock thing just fade away.
The thing I regret most about that scene is that it was so dumb that it overshadowed a lot of good stuff in people's minds. If that one scene had been missing from the movie, I think the movie as a whole would be better regarded.
Well, since the creative team is very different this time, I don't expect that it would. In particular, the most problematical decisions with STID seemed to be Damon Lindelof's (he was the one who insisted on using Khan instead of an original villain), and he has nothing to do with STB.
Source, please?
Fade away? I thought that there were quotes that said something to the effect that she liked it as part of the tapestry of the character but it didn't define the character. Which, in my opinion, it doesn't. Nu-Uhura is a competent officer in her own right, who demonstrates her abilities again and again, outside her actual relationships.
Honestly, the way nu-Uhura is kind of like TOS Kirk, in some ways. She is a leader, she is a lover, she is compassionate and she is competent in her skills. There is more to her than defining her by her relationship with Spock.
Secondly, one moment of fan-service does not ruin a film. I know that Spock's "KHAAN!" (angry face, trademark) gets a lot of grief. It didn't ruin the film for me, was not a laugh moment, and generally speaking was a move on moment. Most of the films have those moments that I skip past.
I found the Spock "Khaaaannn!" yell more relevant to the story than Kirk's in TWOK. If fact, if no one remembered TWOK, I don't think anyone would have seriously objected to the moment in STiD. It certainly is NOT "generally accepted that STID went over the line to self-parody" with that moment, nor, in multiple viewings at the cinema, did I ever witness even laugh at that moment. Regardless, a ten-second clip from a 2 hour movie is hardly enough to consider the movie a failure, even if one didn't like that clip.
You could argue that.
In TWOK, Kirk is fully aware that he'll be fine but is putting on a bit of a show for Khan. Not that he's not still actually pissed, of course.
The moment in STID is one of pure emotion for Spock. Having watched everything prior to and past TOS involving Spock Prime, I am utterly nonplussed by seeing Spock emote.
That said, I still think it's a cheap swipe and the movie would have been just fine without it.
No. It isn't generally accepted.
About all that can be generally agreed upon is that that scene doesn't work for some people. It's also a common complaint about STID made by people posting complaints about STID in online forums such as those at TrekBBS. None of that translates into general acceptance that STID "went over the line into self-parody."
Also, I'm unaware of this laughing that supposedly often occurred in the audience.
It's hard for me to wrap my brain around why some people can't be satisfied by simply asserting their own opinion that something doesn't work for them personally, maybe coupled with a supportable claim that there are others who share their opinion, but instead they have to go over the top and make unsubstantiated claims about how most people supposedly share their opinion.
Attempting the give their argument more validity than it otherwise has.
If you ask me, the original "KHAAAAN" moment in TWOK crossed the line into self-parody. It was the most face-palmingly melodramatic moment in a movie that wallowed in melodrama and unsubtlety. It was stupid in TWOK, and it was doubly stupid to see it homaged in STID.
Seems like it, for sure.
Yeah, Star Trek is hardly immune to melodrama.
STID wins again!
STID wins again!
I did too, especially since Spock's scream is immediately drowned out by the Vengeance's much louder and more destructive death rattle.
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