Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[Crazy Eddie]

I don't need to do ANY math to know that the force of my exhaled breath in the Midwest is not going to stir so much as a molecule of air on the East Coast.

You kind of DO, actually, if you're going to make that statement as a scientific fact. Otherwise you're just saying you don't think it would have an effect. They only way you could know that for sure is to figure out the relationship between, say, your hot breath and the nearby jet stream in a fluid dynamics model. Even in the simpler case -- your apartment -- you'd still have to model fluid dynamics in your apartment to account for the fact that your apartment is not a closed system and some parts of it will radiate heat (and therefore entropy) faster than others.

Modern theories of temporal physics

There is no such thing as "temporal physics." That's not a real discipline, and there are no theories pertaining to it. That is a concept that is ENTIRELY made up by Star Trek writers and/or Star Trek fans.

Nope, science fiction writers and fans have been debating such things for a long time.

Yes, because time travel is purely an element of science fiction and "Temporal physics" is purely an element of Star Trek. It does not cease to be fictional just because physicists like to dream about it as much as everyone else, nor does that change the fact that there are no working theories about how time travel could/would/should work in the real world.

And how the hell did you go from "Physicists don't ask the right questions" to "Here's a link to Michio Kaku's blog"? Isn't that like a full 180 of credibility there?

I just had a horrible image in my mind of Michio Kaku coming in as science advisor to Star Trek Beyond.
<shivers>

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Are we even discussing "Star Trek Beyond" anymore?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

"We are going... to discus.... TIME TRAVEL.... have computed our trajectory... at the su... the su the su the su the suuuuu.....

 

[mattman8907]

"We are going... to discus.... TIME TRAVEL.... have computed our trajectory... at the su... the su the su the su the suuuuu.....

"Get him back! get him back!" LOL

 

[eyeresist]

The happy-go-lucky treatment of time travel you favor (the Back to the Future or Bill and Ted model) is frankly chilling

(My emphasis.)

 

[Amaris]

What that older model neglects is the concepts of inertia and entropy. When the butterfly flaps its wings, it moves air molecules adjacent to it, imparting energy to them. The amount of energy input by the wings transfers to the molecules, and some is lost to entropy after overcoming inertia. Now the molecules around those molecules have inertia as well, and the first set of molecules pushes against the second set, losing more energy to overcome their inertia.

Rinse, repeat. After several iterations, not enough energy is left to move any further air molecules, and therefore the butterfly wings have no effect on them.

So have you written in to the committee to collect your Nobel Prize yet? Because it sounds like you just developed a mathematical model for predicting Turbulent Flow, something that has eluded fluid dynamics for two hundred years and continues to defy analysis even in the age of supercomputers.

That is, if you can actually predict the extent to which a butterfly's wingbeats will affect the airflow of a volume of air, where the boundary conditions are, and how to calculate the cumulative effect of multiple wingbeats, you will have solved one of the most intractable problems in applied physics.

So you should totally write in to collect your Nobel Prize. Right now. Without delay. Unless of course you just made all of that up because it sounds right to you.

Modern theories of temporal physics

There is no such thing as "temporal physics." That's not a real discipline, and there are no theories pertaining to it. That is a concept that is ENTIRELY made up by Star Trek writers and/or Star Trek fans.

I once won a Nobel Prize in physics. It was an amazing night. I was dressed to the nines, hair full and shimmering like a Himalayan Sherpa. I had spoken with Stephen Hawking earlier that evening, and he had expressed his interest in my theorems, and we conversed, as learned men do, well into the morning. There were glamorous stars in attendance, from the lovely Jenny McCarthy, accepting a minor award in biological and germ research, to the irascible Butch Patrick, wearing that adorable cape and scampering about the great hall. The night was a thousand stars, and the Nobel ceremony left me speechless, the crowd silent and in awe as I accepted my award. Afterward, the Jonas Salk International Freestyle Dancers made a moving tribute to my work.

It is something I shall never forget, and while it has cost me the loves of my life, many years of blood, sweat, and tears, and countless sleepless nights, I knew I had arrived.

I mean, sure, the name on the placard is spelled differently than my own, and I've never left the continental United States, nor have I ever met Stephen Hawking or even attended a class that taught the most basic laws of physics, but the struggle was the same, and these minor, inconsequential differences keep me humble.

 

[BillJ]

The happy-go-lucky treatment of time travel you favor (the Back to the Future or Bill and Ted model) is frankly chilling

(My emphasis.)

I just wonder when some Star Trek fans became allergic to fun?

 

[M'Sharak]

Are we even discussing "Star Trek Beyond" anymore?

A little detour now and then isn't necessarily a bad thing, but perhaps we really ought to get back to the main topic before we start talking about fans again.

 

[eyeresist]

I just wonder when some Star Trek fans became allergic to fun?

Some people just have absolutely NO sense of humour. This is something I learned from this forum.

 

[Ovation]

So, who here hopes the new movie will not even have an iota of time travel? (raises hand)

Besides, NO time travel story EVER stands up to scrutiny. Not a one. Best to just accept the rules provided by the storyteller(s) and "go with the flow". Certainly better for one's blood pressure.

As for the movie, are we expecting more of a "bottle" story or some landing party action? (just something to get this thread off the time travel kick for a moment)

 

[BillJ]

So, who here hopes the new movie will not even have an iota of time travel? (raises hand)

Besides, NO time travel story EVER stands up to scrutiny. Not a one. Best to just accept the rules provided by the storyteller(s) and "go with the flow". Certainly better for one's blood pressure.

As for the movie, are we expecting more of a "bottle" story or some landing party action? (just something to get this thread off the time travel kick for a moment)

I just want it to be a rip-roaring fun ride, time travel or not.

 

[JeffinOakland]

ST 1: Gratuitous green bewb shot
ST 2: Gratuitous white bewb shot
ST 3: Blue? Hot Pink? Black? Brown? Red? Zebra? Maybe we should start a pool.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No love for gratuitous shots of Pine's abs and ass?

 

[JeffinOakland]

No love for gratuitous shots of Pine's abs and ass?

Not from me because I'm not the "target audience." However, I don't begrudge others' love for what they love. After all, fair is fair.

 

[Zonker]

ST 1: Gratuitous green bewb shot
ST 2: Gratuitous white bewb shot
ST 3: Blue? Hot Pink? Black? Brown? Red? Zebra? Maybe we should start a pool.

Andorian pls

but seriously I'm betting Klingon and therefore brown.

 

[Ovation]

ST 1: Gratuitous green bewb shot
ST 2: Gratuitous white bewb shot
ST 3: Blue? Hot Pink? Black? Brown? Red? Zebra? Maybe we should start a pool.

There were bewb shots? Where?

 

[Trekkin]

We need something to match Shatner's fragile shirts and Montalban's fantabulous abs. Pine in his tighty-whiteys and Eve's bra just didn't quiet cut it.

Pretty certain Avatar has got the blue bewb shots covered for the next decade.

 

[JeffinOakland]

ST 1: Gratuitous green bewb shot
ST 2: Gratuitous white bewb shot
ST 3: Blue? Hot Pink? Black? Brown? Red? Zebra? Maybe we should start a pool.

There were bewb shots? Where?

Lingerie'd bewbs...not fullies

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'd be totally surprised if anyone from Cheron is in STB, so I'd say that the odds on zebra bewbs, or any part thereof, are long indeed.

 

[robau]

Uhura bewbs please. And the rest of her.