No worries and thanks in advance. I really like your version of the ship as is as a pre-TOS design (for my FASA purposes it would be a Four Year's War era escort) and would just ask for that small change to the front covering up the viewport window with dual photon torpedoe launchers. I really like your version and would love to us a three ship view (side, front, top) on my ship stat sheet!
Star Trek Beyond USS Franklin
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slowing working away on an updated model for the Franklin going with Qmx one as reference
as well a newer enterprise as well.
as well a newer enterprise as well.
slowing working away on an updated model for the Franklin going with Qmx one as reference
as well a newer enterprise as well.
It's funny, I wasn't as wowed by the Ent A in the film as I thought I'd be, but I really dig it in these views. Both of these are off to a great start!
Since the Franklin's transporters were only meant for cargo (until Scotty got his hands on them), any ideas where the shuttles launched from? Looking at pics of the Qmx model, I think they kinda forgot.
Unless they had an underside hangar like the Defiant
Not going by the pictures if the underside of the Qmx model. Unless they're concealed, of course.
I hadn't seen any good shots of its under-belly
Well, since the Franklin was originally a tiny testbed for its Warp 4 engines, it may have originally only had a gangway for ingress and egress. It may not have had any sort of 22nd century weapons of any kind until later during the Romulan War (much less the list that Montgomery Scotty rattled off to Kirktee later - pulsed phase cannons and spatial torpedoes).
The only evidence that they did have shuttles is the crew video log that Uhura kept scrubbing through. For a second or two, it looked like there were two Enterprise-era shuttle pods landing somewhere. Maybe SF retrofitted a dropbay on the ventral side?
Scotty states the Franklin was built in space, and not intended to fly in atmosphere let alone land.
Here's the underside of the Qmx model:
Here's the underside of the Qmx model:
Scotty states the Franklin was built in space, and not intended to fly in atmosphere let alone land.
Here's the underside of the Qmx model:
Up just before that extended bit on the underside it looks like it has panels that could easily be doors.
Or they might have just forgotten it like the TNG modelers forgot to include any impulse engines on the Nebula model.
From the cutaways in Popular Mechanics, I don't see any room on the ship for a shuttle bay even if only a small cramped one. It doesn't sound like it was supposed to have one as the ship was designed visually as a cargo ship according to the designer with a cargo transporter apparently in the movie.
I haven't seen the movie yet (although I will this week!). Does it actually show a shuttle inside it or in use with it? If not, I'd probably leave the shuttle for Turtleman's TOS version with the shuttlebay filling out the notch in the back.
I haven't seen the movie yet (although I will this week!). Does it actually show a shuttle inside it or in use with it? If not, I'd probably leave the shuttle for Turtleman's TOS version with the shuttlebay filling out the notch in the back.
It shows the crew with shuttlepods, but they could be anywhere when the footage is shot. The problem is that the Franklin can't land on a planet, so how does it move crew with only a cargo transporter? It'd have to use shuttlepods to get to a planet's surface since it was never designed to land on a planet.
I'm not sure what to tell you. No matter what choice or rationalization you make, either some common sense or continuity breaks. I'd rather go with no shuttles personally since they don't look like they can fit and I don't see any viable shuttle bay doors on the canon model. The way I see it is that it was meant to be primarily a space borne cargo hauler. It beams up cargo from the surface and back down as needed. If the crew need to go anywhere then they dock ala Enterprise physically next to a space station and use their shuttles or personnel transporters to go to the surface.
I forgot to mention that the video above roughly at the 25 minute mark has technical drawings showing the top, side, front, back, and bottom views of the design as well as an orthogonal view.
Thanks for thay interview link, SITZRIEG!
We see in the Franklin log videos a clip of the crew on a planet laughing while a Star Trek: Enterprise style shuttlepod descends.
Here are those USS Franklin orthos:
We see in the Franklin log videos a clip of the crew on a planet laughing while a Star Trek: Enterprise style shuttlepod descends.
Here are those USS Franklin orthos:
Looking at the size of the Franklin (450') and the NX shuttlepods (22'), I think there'd be room for a shuttlebay somewhere. The Popular Mechanics cutaway leaves some unclaimed space on the port and starboard of the saucer where we can pretend a drop-down bay (not unlike the Enterprise NX-01's) are
little more work on the rear of the ship.
With the overall size for this ship Its really hard to judge the interior for this ship. would love to see someone come up deck plans for sure.
Given that its a warp 4 ship and didn't get a transporter update or weapon upgrade really messes with a time period for this ship. sure old ship brought back into service to aid in romulan war, but not get those two important systems which would be standard by that time of the romulan war.
With star trek beyond, and their attempt to reconnect to the prime time line would have been nice to have seen the bike leaning against shuttle pod. Some on screen prime universe that didn't change to jj style then just archive footage.
But I would put the shuttle bay where the mess hall is as this should be more a cargo storage area as there seems to be a set of doors on the ventral side of the ship should be good for spot. Tho would seem to drop right in front of the torpedo tubes? and why is there a bike in a mess hall? personal personal items = cargo bay, if your at war with romulans why would you have it aboard?
With the overall size for this ship Its really hard to judge the interior for this ship. would love to see someone come up deck plans for sure.
Given that its a warp 4 ship and didn't get a transporter update or weapon upgrade really messes with a time period for this ship. sure old ship brought back into service to aid in romulan war, but not get those two important systems which would be standard by that time of the romulan war.
With star trek beyond, and their attempt to reconnect to the prime time line would have been nice to have seen the bike leaning against shuttle pod. Some on screen prime universe that didn't change to jj style then just archive footage.
But I would put the shuttle bay where the mess hall is as this should be more a cargo storage area as there seems to be a set of doors on the ventral side of the ship should be good for spot. Tho would seem to drop right in front of the torpedo tubes? and why is there a bike in a mess hall? personal personal items = cargo bay, if your at war with romulans why would you have it aboard?
Looks good so far! What weapons was it shown to have in the movie?
Scotty mentions
pulse phase cannons
spatial torpedoes
as well went missing in Gagarin Radiation Belt in early 2160's The Nx-01 Enterprise was retired in 2161
and with the romulan war was 2156 to 2160
pulse phase cannons
spatial torpedoes
as well went missing in Gagarin Radiation Belt in early 2160's The Nx-01 Enterprise was retired in 2161
and with the romulan war was 2156 to 2160
Thanks for the info. That's an odd combo. I know it's the jjverse and won't necessarily jive exactly but the NX-01 started with plasma cannons and spatial torpedoes.
Season 1: Replaced Plasma Cannons with Phase Cannons while deployed
Season 2: Replaced Spatial Torpedoes with Photonic Torpedoes prior to leaving for the Expanse
Season 3 (maybe 4?): Columbia mentioned as getting Pulsed Phase Cannons while under construction
It basically has beginning and end NX weaponry.
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