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Star Trek and Liberalism....

I've heard this allegation made before, but I still don't care about it. As conservative as I am, I still love ST and I don't see any overt liberal bias in it. :shrug:

ST may occasionally have an episode that makes a political point, but examples can be made for all kinds of views. It's not just for liberals, or just for conservatives, or any of that kind of stuff. Doesn't matter where you are on the political spectrum, you'll find something in ST to enjoy. Why not just leave it at that?
 
The analysis of the background out of which Roddenberry, Coon and others wrote much of the original series shows quite a bit of insight and I (of course) agree with much of it.

Beyond that point, the article's worthless.
 
Star Trek, or TOS if you prefer, was Kirk, Spock, and McCoy and all the crazy ass shit they got into. The new films have brought that back after a long drought.
 
As a conservative, watching the evolution of Star Trek since my childhood in the 80s has been interesting. Obviously most of the writers are left-wing, and even if they do not consciously imbue their scripts with a left-wing message it still shows in their base assumptions.

The article clearly demonstrates the motivations of those behind ST, or rather TNG - forward were increasingly leaning in one direction--to the point where the essence of what made Trek...Trek, was gone, replaced by an agenda chest-deep in a new age university, peacenik "we have no right to, and neither do you" form of smug judgement. That position utterly ripped away that which established Star Trek as a thought-proving sci-fi drama, instead turning into the kind of one-ideology fiction one would see on the political shows airing on PBS


For those furious with Sandefur's summary of NuTrek, I ask what was so incorrect about the following:

By the time Khan reappears under Abrams’s direction, the fixed moral stars by which the franchise once steered have been almost entirely obscured. No longer the thoughtful, bold captain, the young Kirk (Chris Pine) is now all rashness and violence, taking and breaking everything around him. He confesses that he has no idea what he is doing.

I realize some are hyper defensive over NuTrek, and might argue that, "well Kirk is young in that 1st film! Its realistic to be brash" Kirk was also younger in his TOS pilot, but even in that 1st episode, he tempered any inherent move to action with reason, even doubt. That's what made TOS Kirk a great character: he had the ability to fight--wage war, but he was not impulsive, or some hothead--even in the worst of situations. He was always thinking, which is a trait lacking in NuKirk.

There rests the balance absent in the other biggest franchise hallmark productions: TOS' captain was not some action movie caricature like NuKirk, and he was not the self-handcuffing / lecturer like Picard. His mind, action and intent had to be guided by a full personality, not extremes.
 
For those furious with Sandefur's summary of NuTrek, I ask what was so incorrect about the following:

By the time Khan reappears under Abrams’s direction, the fixed moral stars by which the franchise once steered have been almost entirely obscured. No longer the thoughtful, bold captain, the young Kirk (Chris Pine) is now all rashness and violence, taking and breaking everything around him. He confesses that he has no idea what he is doing.

I realize some are hyper defensive over NuTrek, and might argue that, "well Kirk is young in that 1st film! Its realistic to be brash" Kirk was also younger in his TOS pilot, but even in that 1st episode, he tempered any inherent move to action with reason, even doubt. That's what made TOS Kirk a great character: he had the ability to fight--wage war, but he was not impulsive, or some hothead--even in the worst of situations. He was always thinking, which is a trait lacking in NuKirk.

There rests the balance absent in the other biggest franchise hallmark productions: TOS' captain was not some action movie caricature like NuKirk, and he was not the self-handcuffing / lecturer like Picard. His mind, action and intent had to be guided by a full personality, not extremes.

Furious? Not even a little bit. We're talking about an entertainment franchise.

As far as breaking everything, it seems the writer didn't exactly pay attention to the movie as that really isn't what goes on. Kirk's emotions got the best of him over the loss of his friend and mentor. Just like emotion almost got the best of an older and more seasoned Kirk in "The Conscious of the King" and "Obsession".

I'd rather have some variation than a "one size fits every situation" type of character. People are complicated.
 
As a conservative, watching the evolution of Star Trek since my childhood in the 80s has been interesting. Obviously most of the writers are left-wing, and even if they do not consciously imbue their scripts with a left-wing message it still shows in their base assumptions.

The article clearly demonstrates the motivations of those behind ST, or rather TNG - forward were increasingly leaning in one direction--to the point where the essence of what made Trek...Trek, was gone, replaced by an agenda chest-deep in a new age university, peacenik "we have no right to, and neither do you" form of smug judgement. That position utterly ripped away that which established Star Trek as a thought-proving sci-fi drama, instead turning into the kind of one-ideology fiction one would see on the political shows airing on PBS


For those furious with Sandefur's summary of NuTrek, I ask what was so incorrect about the following:

By the time Khan reappears under Abrams’s direction, the fixed moral stars by which the franchise once steered have been almost entirely obscured. No longer the thoughtful, bold captain, the young Kirk (Chris Pine) is now all rashness and violence, taking and breaking everything around him. He confesses that he has no idea what he is doing.

I realize some are hyper defensive over NuTrek, and might argue that, "well Kirk is young in that 1st film! Its realistic to be brash" Kirk was also younger in his TOS pilot, but even in that 1st episode, he tempered any inherent move to action with reason, even doubt. That's what made TOS Kirk a great character: he had the ability to fight--wage war, but he was not impulsive, or some hothead--even in the worst of situations. He was always thinking, which is a trait lacking in NuKirk.

There rests the balance absent in the other biggest franchise hallmark productions: TOS' captain was not some action movie caricature like NuKirk, and he was not the self-handcuffing / lecturer like Picard. His mind, action and intent had to be guided by a full personality, not extremes.
Yes. :techman:
 
I hate this software, and I hate Firefox. That said, I agree with Dennis and BillJ.
 
I hate this software, and I hate Firefox.

That song from ST IV just popped into my head. Please, for all that's holy, MAKE IT STOP :eek:

No.
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Not particularly. It's basically an extended complaint that Trek outgrew romanticizing the cartoonish absolutes of Cold War rhetoric and started paying attention to actual realism and morality; one that conveniently leaves out the fact in the historical dispute that inspired "The Way to Eden," it was history's actual Aquarians who were in the right about war (at minimum about Vietnam in particular), not the "muscular liberals" of the age represented by Kirk. "Muscular liberalism" has been the actual engine of the decline of liberalism in the society that birthed Star Trek, culminating in morally-impotent pro-plutocratic and militaristic "centrism" and in the vicious and sinister circus of the Iraq War which was conceived and enabled nearly as much by vapid "even the liberal [such-and-such]es" as by the Bush/Cheney gang themselves. Those seeds were sown from the birth of the Cold War and it's no accident that it was dyed-in-the-wool Cold Warriors who presided over the (thus-far) nadir of this trend.

I have respect for TOS but it wore the blinders of its time and its creators. It was a good and salutary thing that Trek evolved beyond it, that indeed was TNG's primary virtue.
 
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I think that TOS was at the right place at the right time (especially the right time), under the right circumstances/influences to create this balance.
 
Star Trek, or TOS if you prefer, was Kirk, Spock, and McCoy and all the crazy ass shit they got into. The new films have brought that back after a long drought.

:techman:

Don't get me wrong. I like the spin offs but this is what it always comes back to.
 
Without getting into a point-by-point over the article, what I found most interesting about TOS was its blend of the best of liberal and classic conservative ideology.

I was disappointed that the author did not go into DS9, Voyager and Enterprise, probably because doing so would have undercut his central thesis.

Kirk might have had the idea that Federation ideals were the best, but even he would have said: "The best....for us." If others chose differently, he would have said: "Fine", as long as the choice was freely arrived at.
 
But Kirk believes there must be deeper, universal principles underlying and limiting diversity, to prevent its degeneration into relativism and nihilism.
The same relativism that underpins the Prime Directive? Makes one wonder. I suspect that both Kirk and the author of this article are cherry-picking--or perhaps "apple-picking" would be more appropriate. :)
 
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