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Star Trek, Amazon, & KFX eBooks

But the issue is that allowing Star Trek eBook to be sold as KFX violates the reason for removing the DRM in the first place.
 
But the issue is that allowing Star Trek eBook to be sold as KFX violates the reason for removing the DRM in the first place.
By your definition, Amazon shouldn't be allowed to sell these books at all since there's no public spec. Frankly, your definition is wrong.

If you don't like it, you're welcome to reverse-engineer it and create a way to convert from KFX to another format. (Just like someone had to do for Mobipocket and AZW3.)
 
There is a reason for KFX to exist. It's because it cannot be converted. It cannot have the DRM removed. It's to keep you inside the walled garden that's just gotten bigger. Just because it can be read with Amazon's apps does not make it any less of a walled garden. A walled garden is where you have an eBook that cannot leave that walled garden. KFX cannot leave the walled garden. KFX cannot be read on anything not Amazon. The problem Amazon had was that Mobi & KF8 can have DRM removed. They can be converted to ePub to be read on Kobo or any other app/device that reads ePub. KFX was created to stop that. This is not about piracy. This is about future proofing. KFX is not future proof. You can't take it with you if you go outside of Amazon's walled garden.

The reason KFX is a walled garden is because it cannot be read with anything that's not an Amazon device or app and even then there are a lot of Kindles out there that cannot read KFX. So if you have downloaded KFX with Kindle for PC or MAC, you cannot read it if you don't have a Kindle PW1 or newer. So if you were using K4PC/MAC to keep an offline backup of your eBooks, you could be screwed. So no matter where you can run a Kindle app, it's still within the walled garden. If you can show me where I can download KFX and read it with an app that's not from Amazon, then I'll agree the walled garden is not that high. But until then, you're just plain wrong.

So what you are saying is Amazon was not a walled garden, but now is, a tiny bit, because one of the multiple formats they make their ebooks available in hasn’t been cracked yet?
Huh.
 
But the issue is that allowing Star Trek eBook to be sold as KFX violates the reason for removing the DRM in the first place.

It’s just downloaded as that. You can also download other formats, as has been said.
 
You download using latest Kindle for PC/MAC and you get mostly KFX eBooks. If you don't have a Kindle that can handle KFX, then these KFX eBooks could very well be useless. Also, if you do not have a physical Kindle, then you cannot download other than K4PC/MAC. So for those users, Amazon's walled garden has gotten a lot bigger.
 
You download using latest Kindle for PC/MAC and you get mostly KFX eBooks. If you don't have a Kindle that can handle KFX, then these KFX eBooks could very well be useless. Also, if you do not have a physical Kindle, then you cannot download other than K4PC/MAC. So for those users, Amazon's walled garden has gotten a lot bigger.

You can download the older format from your Amazon account, like I said earlier. I think your arguing a problem that doesn't exist.
 
You can download the older format from your Amazon account, like I said earlier. I think your arguing a problem that doesn't exist.

If you do not have a physical Kindle, you can't. The USB download only works if you have a physical Kindle registered to your account. So please tell me how to download KF8 when KFX is offered if all I have is the latest version of Kindle for PC.

If someone who was using some version 1.17 Kindle for PC and placed a pre-order for an eBook and then 1.17 updated to the current version, that pre-order could be screwed.
 
If you don't have a Kindle that can handle KFX, then these KFX eBooks could very well be useless.

If someone who was using some version 1.17 Kindle for PC and placed a pre-order for an eBook and then 1.17 updated to the current version, that pre-order could be screwed.


So these things could happen? not that they will definitely happen. You seem to be tilting at windmills again @JWolf
 
If you do not have a physical Kindle, you can't. The USB download only works if you have a physical Kindle registered to your account. So please tell me how to download KF8 when KFX is offered if all I have is the latest version of Kindle for PC.

If someone who was using some version 1.17 Kindle for PC and placed a pre-order for an eBook and then 1.17 updated to the current version, that pre-order could be screwed.
I have multiple dedicated e-readers, including a couple old Nook Glowlights and a Kobo I really like (these are great for outdoor use, which my Kindle Fire tablet and iPad aren't). So, I put all my e-books into Calibre and convert them to epub to make them portable across all my devices. This is for books I get from Amazon, my older Nook books, Apple iBooks purchases, and epubs from archive.org and gutenberg.org.

In no way could this be construed as stealing; I bought 'em, I'm entitled to read 'em. (Some of the earliest ebooks I ever bought were Star Trek: SCE e-books back in 2000-ish in a couple of different formats, including the Adobe e-book format. When Adobe killed the format and shut down their validation servers, those books became unreadable piles of bits taking up space on my hard drive. This, understandably, pissed me off royally. I provide this as background information as to why I convert EVERYTHING I buy into a portable, universal format. I consider that the e-books I buy are my property, just as physical books I buy are my property. I'm not renting them or licensing them; I'm BUYING them. I get to read them FOREVER.)

When the KFX format was rolled out some months ago (earlier this year, I think, but it might have been earlier) my Kindle for PC auto-updated to the newer version. That newer version of Kindle for PC downloaded my purchases in the KFX format, which Calibre can't convert to epub. Uh oh.

A quick googling taught me how to go back to Kindle for PC version 1.17.0, and how to disable auto-updating the app. I re-downloaded the new books, and they downloaded in the older Amazon .azw format. Everything worked as before.

So, if you maintain an older version of the Kindle for PC app on your PC, Amazon will still download the older format of e-books -- even brand-new e-books. This may change at some point -- I fully expect Amazon to stop supporting the older versions of Kindle for PC at some point. Hopefully someone will have designed a Calibre conversion for the newer format by then. Otherwise, I stop buying e-books from Amazon/Kindle.
 
I have multiple dedicated e-readers, including a couple old Nook Glowlights and a Kobo I really like (these are great for outdoor use, which my Kindle Fire tablet and iPad aren't). So, I put all my e-books into Calibre and convert them to epub to make them portable across all my devices. This is for books I get from Amazon, my older Nook books, Apple iBooks purchases, and epubs from archive.org and gutenberg.org.

In no way could this be construed as stealing; I bought 'em, I'm entitled to read 'em. (Some of the earliest ebooks I ever bought were Star Trek: SCE e-books back in 2000-ish in a couple of different formats, including the Adobe e-book format. When Adobe killed the format and shut down their validation servers, those books became unreadable piles of bits taking up space on my hard drive. This, understandably, pissed me off royally. I provide this as background information as to why I convert EVERYTHING I buy into a portable, universal format. I consider that the e-books I buy are my property, just as physical books I buy are my property. I'm not renting them or licensing them; I'm BUYING them. I get to read them FOREVER.)

I have a similar backstory, but mine's with MS-Reader LIT files. I really liked the MS-Reader software, and I use the fonts it came packaged with (Berling Antiqua, Frutiger Linotype) for documents.

This may change at some point -- I fully expect Amazon to stop supporting the older versions of Kindle for PC at some point. Hopefully someone will have designed a Calibre conversion for the newer format by then. Otherwise, I stop buying e-books from Amazon/Kindle.

Yeah, I think there will be, at some point, an "Upgrade Kindle PC or else" moment. I had one of those a year ago because I hadn't upgraded the software in a really long time. Hopefully, it won't be for a while.
 
If you do not have a physical Kindle, you can't. The USB download only works if you have a physical Kindle registered to your account. So please tell me how to download KF8 when KFX is offered if all I have is the latest version of Kindle for PC.

If someone who was using some version 1.17 Kindle for PC and placed a pre-order for an eBook and then 1.17 updated to the current version, that pre-order could be screwed.

How is it you're wanting to read these books that you can't?
 
How is it you're wanting to read these books that you can't?

As has already been said, the latest K4PC downloads in KFX when possible and those eBooks cannot be moved to a different platform.

I got into reading eBooks because I could buy in MS Reader (LIT) format and remove the DRM and I was able to read those books as is or convert them to read on my Sony Reader. I cannot do a thing with KFX eBooks to be able to read them where I want. Yes, I can download KF8 versions. But for a lot of people, they cannot. So even if they are set to be able to remove DRM/convert as needed, KFX prevents this. Let's say you buy an eBook from Amazon in KF8. Befoe you get to reading it, your K4PC is updated and Amazon tells you there is an update of that eBook. You download it and it's KFX. There's no way you can convert it to be able to read on your Kobo Reader. You don't own a hardware Kindle Reader so you cannot download KF8. There are plenty of people who have had eBooks no longer be readable because of the DRM. Remember Mobipocket where the PID for the DRM was tied to the computer. Change the computer and/or the book hard drive and you get a new PID and all the previous eBooks no longer can be read.

KFX was created because of Mobi and KF8 already being cracked. KFX has no other function. There's nothing KFX can do that you cannot do with modifying the KF8 renderer to do it with KF8. If you have K4PC and Amazon does a force update, you then will be downloading mostly KFX.

Also, KFX invalidates the reason to go DRM free.
 
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