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Star Trek: A future of death

BriGuy

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Referring to the news item about "Star Trek XI: Breaking Down Walls"...

Yet even for a franchise that grew to six TV series and 10 previous mov-ies, J.J. Abrams’ “Star Trek” is the wildest makeover ever to Gene Rod-denberry’s vision of a future where humans have overcome their own squabbles and set out to make new enemies among the stars.

WTF???

Since when was Trek ever about going into space to make new enemies???

The only time I remember that being the line of thought was Q in the TNG pilot.

Sounds like a writer who doesn't know jack about Trek, and didn't bother to learn before writing that story. And I can judge, because I do the same thing for a living.

And what's with all the damn unneeded hypens throughtout that story?
 
you are taking this out of context. what is meant by it is that humans arent fighting with themselves any more (a utopian society on earth) but they are not getting along with and fighting with the species they meet in space.

people always have enemies, its a part of life.
 
you are taking this out of context. what is meant by it is that humans arent fighting with themselves any more (a utopian society on earth) but they are not getting along with and fighting with the species they meet in space.

people always have enemies, its a part of life.

Yeah..and including each other. The only Utiopia I know is this head shop bout 20 miles from here....;)
 
Actually, they're being quite accurate. This is one of the dirty little secrets of Trek - they are always talking peace, but the Enterprise is constantly getting into fights. Peace in Trek means peace-loving, but circumstances say otherwise. When you have a universe filled with Klingons, Romulans, Gorn, Tholians, Cardassians, Ferengi, Borg, Naussicans, Jem Hadar, Breen, Zenkethi, Kazon, Vidians, Xindi, and so on... you're going to make enemies. Not because you're looking for it, but because the other guy is.
 
you are taking this out of context. what is meant by it is that humans arent fighting with themselves any more (a utopian society on earth) but they are not getting along with and fighting with the species they meet in space.

people always have enemies, its a part of life.

Yeah..and including each other. The only Utiopia I know is this head shop bout 20 miles from here....;)

You and I should meet. :D
 
Referring to the news item about "Star Trek XI: Breaking Down Walls"...

Yet even for a franchise that grew to six TV series and 10 previous mov-ies, J.J. Abrams’ “Star Trek” is the wildest makeover ever to Gene Rod-denberry’s vision of a future where humans have overcome their own squabbles and set out to make new enemies among the stars.
WTF???
If you're going to cite a news item, providing a link to it is helpful.

TrekToday story here
The Daily Comet (LaFourche Parish, Louisiana) article (linked in the TT item)

The Comet reprinted it from an Associated Press feature which appeared in many other papers and online news sites, apparently not thinking to reformat it for a different column width, hence the scattered hyphens.
 
you are taking this out of context. what is meant by it is that humans arent fighting with themselves any more (a utopian society on earth) but they are not getting along with and fighting with the species they meet in space.

people always have enemies, its a part of life.

Yeah..and including each other. The only Utiopia I know is this head shop bout 20 miles from here....;)

You and I should meet. :D

LOL you ran out again?
 
Referring to the news item about "Star Trek XI: Breaking Down Walls"...

Yet even for a franchise that grew to six TV series and 10 previous mov-ies, J.J. Abrams’ “Star Trek” is the wildest makeover ever to Gene Rod-denberry’s vision of a future where humans have overcome their own squabbles and set out to make new enemies among the stars.

WTF???

Since when was Trek ever about going into space to make new enemies???

The only time I remember that being the line of thought was Q in the TNG pilot.

Sounds like a writer who doesn't know jack about Trek, and didn't bother to learn before writing that story. And I can judge, because I do the same thing for a living.

And what's with all the damn unneeded hypens throughtout that story?

Famous line fron a great Star Trek (TOS) parody song (done before the TOS feature films were ever produced):

Kirk: "We come in peace...shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill..." ;)

That said, yeah, the article author clearly has seen a lot of Star Trek episodes (of any of the series).
 
Referring to the news item about "Star Trek XI: Breaking Down Walls"...

Yet even for a franchise that grew to six TV series and 10 previous mov-ies, J.J. Abrams’ “Star Trek” is the wildest makeover ever to Gene Rod-denberry’s vision of a future where humans have overcome their own squabbles and set out to make new enemies among the stars.

WTF???

Since when was Trek ever about going into space to make new enemies???

The only time I remember that being the line of thought was Q in the TNG pilot.

Sounds like a writer who doesn't know jack about Trek, and didn't bother to learn before writing that story. And I can judge, because I do the same thing for a living.

And what's with all the damn unneeded hypens throughtout that story?

I mean, it's a cynical take on Star Trek, but it's not entirely wrong, either.

After all, what happens after Earth is unified? It sends starships out in the galaxy, and they promptly get shot at -- by Suliban, Klingons, Andorians, Xindi, Romulans, and event Vulcans. The Federation is established, bringing peace between the Andorians and Vulcans and unifying Earth, Vulcan, Andor, and Tellar... and then the Federation gets embroiled in a cold war with the Klingons that lasts the better part of a century. Then the Federation makes peace with the Klingons, but gets into another conflict with the Romulans that ends with thousands dying in the Tomed Incident and the Romulans hiding behind the Neutral Zone. Then the Federation gets involved in border wars with the Cardassians and Tzenkethi. Then the Federation gets threatened by the Borg, and then by the Dominion.....

It's not exactly a fair way of describing humanity's future, but it's not wrong, either. Earth and the Federation do have a habit of getting into fights with their neighbors.
 
Probably because a LOT of thier neighbors are Expansionist empires with few scruples about the use of violence to achieve thier aims?
 
I love the utopian outlook Star Trek promotes. It's one of it's founding philosophies and endearing qualities. That being said, Trek is usually at it's best when it's brimming with death and destruction. It makes for an interesting Juxtapohickey.
 
Probably because a LOT of thier neighbors are Expansionist empires with few scruples about the use of violence to achieve thier aims?

Except in the TOS era; the Federation's 'scruples' are 'as needed. Want proof?

TOS Episode: Errand of Mercy - Once a Klingon/Federation war has started; Kirk and Co, are ordered to Organia (which Federation records show is inhabited by a primitive culture that WOULD fall under the Prime Directive under normal circumstances); with orders to either secure the planet as a base of operations for Federation forces; OR prevent it as being used as a base by the Klingon Empire. Here the Prime Directive is nullified.

TOS Episode: Friday's Child - Do you think the Ten Tribes of Capella IV (who had a level of technology akin to the Dark Ages of Earth's past) would have been contacted and informed that there were 'Poeple from the other lights in the sky', if they didn't have an abundance of a mineral that BOTH the Klingon and Federation need to further their goals?

Amazing how the hige and mighty StarFleet Prime Directive - which a Starship Captain will sacrifice himself, his ship, and his crew if needed rather than violate goes out the proverbial window (with Federation approval too), because a primative culture has something the Federation needs.

And I do bring the above up only because we know that 100 years later; NEITHER sitiuation would be allowed under GR's revised vision of the Star Trek Universe; and FURTHER, even in cases of outright warfare, Picard would have rather seen teh Federation fall, rather than interfere with a primitive clture (Based on his actions in I Borg and Redemption) - which is why I do like TOS WAY BETTER than any of the TNG era series. (But this last bit is off topic too).

But again, my point - in the 23rd century; the Federation was at times, just as unscrupulous as its nighboring star nations.
 
Probably because a LOT of thier neighbors are Expansionist empires with few scruples about the use of violence to achieve thier aims?

Sure. But, there again, it's not like the Federation is averse to the idea of expansionism, either. One of their driving goals, after all, is to create new Federation colonies on uninhabited worlds, to constantly spread out and expand their territory, and to persuade other civilizations to join theirs.

Yes, the Federation is built on the idea of peaceful expansion, peaceful persuasion, and mutual partnership amongst its members, but do you see where to a foreign state that is unwilling to relinquish its independence, the Federation's actions might seem threatening, or even downright hostile?

Probably because a LOT of thier neighbors are Expansionist empires with few scruples about the use of violence to achieve thier aims?

Except in the TOS era; the Federation's 'scruples' are 'as needed. Want proof?

TOS Episode: Errand of Mercy - Once a Klingon/Federation war has started; Kirk and Co, are ordered to Organia (which Federation records show is inhabited by a primitive culture that WOULD fall under the Prime Directive under normal circumstances); with orders to either secure the planet as a base of operations for Federation forces; OR prevent it as being used as a base by the Klingon Empire. Here the Prime Directive is nullified.

TOS Episode: Friday's Child - Do you think the Ten Tribes of Capella IV (who had a level of technology akin to the Dark Ages of Earth's past) would have been contacted and informed that there were 'Poeple from the other lights in the sky', if they didn't have an abundance of a mineral that BOTH the Klingon and Federation need to further their goals?

To be fair, the issue of whether or not the Federation is willing to contact and be honest about its origins to pre-warp cultures that have already been contacted and/or informed of the existence of aliens is unestablished. I haven't seen either "Errand of Mercy" or "Friday's Child" in forever, but is it not possible that perhaps Federation law allows the UFP to contact pre-warp civilizations that already know about aliens, and that Federation records indicated that both the Capellans and Organians had already been contacted by alien worlds?

Amazing how the hige and mighty StarFleet Prime Directive - which a Starship Captain will sacrifice himself, his ship, and his crew if needed rather than violate goes out the proverbial window (with Federation approval too), because a primative culture has something the Federation needs.
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But again, my point - in the 23rd century; the Federation was at times, just as unscrupulous as its nighboring star nations.

I don't know that that's fair. The UFP certainly has never been depicted as engaging in conquest, aggressive war, or oppression. But, your point that the Federation is not a utopia and is not morally perfect is completely fair -- and very realistic.

Societies are made of people, and people are not and will never be perfect -- because there is no such thing as perfect. There are just people, and if they're good people, then they're trying to do their best, and that's all you can ever ask of anybody.

The Federation is not and has never been utopian. It is, however, a better society, one that is more committed to the principles of liberal democracy, than those that exist today.
 
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