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Star Trek: A Captain April Series

csullivan

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I actually think we could have a solid shot at seeing a Captain Robert April based Trek series. And not just because it would be kinda cool and fun for us Trekies. I think CBS has some valid reasons to go that way. Here's the path of logic as I see it:

First off - there's no doubt CBS wants to get Trek back on as a TV product. The Trek franchise is now shared between two companies - Paramount Studios and CBS Television. It's not like the old days when the cash was flowing through one big happy corporation. If CBS wants to cash in on their piece of the franchise, they're going to have to put something together for TV. I'm guessing the only reason they haven't already started development is because their franchise-cousins over at Paramount are kindly spending $150 million in franchise "R&D". So assuming the new film is even modestly successful, CBS is going to want to see a piece of that. And there's not going to be any sense in doing a series in a whole different era that doesn't play off the marketing engine and franchise-building that is generated by the new film.

So I think that's going to put CBS in a position of trying to connect their new series as much as possible to what's being done in the new film. Now with that said, I doubt very much if any of the new actors have any kind of contractual obligation to any Trek related TV projects - just this movie and a few potential sequels. And it's worth noting here that those sequels would most likely take place largely on/around the Enterprise - and during roughly the Kirk 5-year-mission era.

So CBS could set the series concurrent with this new film(s)'s era and make it about a different ship - another Abrams-style Constitution Class ship (like in the teaser) but with a different mission/crew, etc. But I would think CBS would also like to be able to capitalize on the name Enterprise™ - especially since they're not going to be able to use the characters of Kirk, Spock, etc (for practicle and financial reasons) without doing yet another impossible recast.

We know the Enterprise is about 20 years old when Kirk takes it over. So that leaves plenty of pre-Kirk Enterprise adventures. A Chris Pike series would be fantastic fun, but with an older Chris Pike already cast for the new film - they'd probably want to stay away from recasting that character so soon. And they'd need to avoid the issue of including Spock on Pike's crew. I'm sure Abrams has some protection against a "competing" group within the Trek franchise-holders directly working with "his" carefully rearchitected characters on screen.

That leaves good ol' Robert April. There's essentially a blank slate there. April is free of many tight cannon constraints since so little has been established. Yet almost every fan accepts that April did or could have existed even though he's never been mentioned on screen. And of course the ship would be recognizable as the Enterprise from the new films and CBS would cash in on whatever recognition the new film generates. They'd only need to modify the production design of the sets and props in a very minor way relative to the new film to say "this is slightly before the Kirk era Enterprise".

And here's the other great tie in - there's some other minor roles in the new film for which the actors are already cast for this EXACT time period. That includes two big ones - George Kirk and Sarek. In the novels, George is even a Starfleet officer who serves under April. And in the new film he's played by an actor that's relatively unknown and could possibly be available for a TV role like this. Same goes for Sarek. I can see a young Ambassador Sarek being worked in as a regularly recurring character. They'd both be great casting/marketing tie ins to the films and are great characters for a new Trek series in their own right. And their inclusion wouldn't likely step on Abram's creative space all that much with the film portion of the franchise.

Plus how cool would it be to have a series set on the brand spankin' new NCC 1701. There's all kinds of great possibilities with this series. I can even see one of those cheesy great Trek moments when George Kirk and Sarek meet and butt heads on something until they find one moment of common ground when they discover they both have sons.

Any thoughts?
 
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How about have the first officer be Chris Pike? I don't think it's a bad idea but I'm not a fan of Trek prequel stuff. Look how messed up it got with Enterprise. Although I wouldn't mind a TOS era thing that much. This is pre TOS by about 20 years or so though. I'm surprised with all the fan films that there hasn't been one exploring Robert April yet.
 
In fact I think there was a Robert April Trek novel that had Pike as April's first officer. That would definitely be cool. You could even include a young version of Number One. But the more "young versions" of existing characters you put in would definitely put it more into the "prequel" category.

True, it's a prequel no matter what - but this new 23rd century look and feel that's coming out of Abrams and crew is entirely new. And 20 years in either direction is barely a blip when it comes to exploring this whole new version of the original Enterprise. It's really one of those "Lost Era" kind of periods where almost anything can happen. So I think it could be done without feeling like the fate of these characters is somehow already set in stone. Sure we know the Enterprise will survive, but that doesn't preclude it getting massively "injured" along the way. And whose to say that George Kirk doesn't get blown away saving the Enterprise at some point. That'd put a whole new spin on James Kirk's career spent honoring the name Enterprise.
 
I had always wanted to see a Capt. Pike series. You can show a young Spoke, and maybe even a young Scotty in the final year of the series. But it can be mentioned that they both serve on the "midnight" shift, so they won't have much contact with Pike's shift.

It can be mentioned that the young vulcan prefers to work the night shift so he has as littl contact with humans as is possible. It could also be explained that Scotty works on the third shift, where he runs all those strnge experiments on the engines...
 
I don't think it's a bad idea but I'm not a fan of Trek prequel stuff. Look how messed up it got with Enterprise.

Yeah, but just because the concept was badly executed in ENT doesn't mean its a flawed concept. Personally, when they decided to do a prequel series I thought they should have done it about either April or Pike.
 
This sounds very much like a variation of "Enterprise" with a lot of additional continuity problems and no advantages.

Granted, a new production team could take the premise of just about any Trek series and produce something more watchable than the series they based it on. OTOH, there's no reason to think that a new team wouldn't screw up worse than the 1987-2005 folks - particularly given the very high level of creative failure associated with the skiffy genre in general on television.

I mean, the folks behind "Flash Gordon" are pretty well thought of out there, you know?
 
I've always been intrigued by the Captain April character (or non-character, depending on how you look at it).

While I would love to see his character made into official canon, I know that my perceived notion of him would be dashed.

I would rather him stay as he is: a legend...
 
While I would love to see his character made into official canon, I know that my perceived notion of him would be dashed.

Exactly. "Captain April" only exists in the awareness of a small number of devoted fans who have pretty strong ideas about either him or his "world" or both.

For a producer/writer, this is the worst of situations - you can please a few people while boring or alienating the rest or you can alienate the faithful while creating something interesting and accessible to a larger audience.

Since you don't want to do the former and can do the latter with new characters and a new setting, there's no virtue to doing a "Captain April" series.
 
I hate to say this, but chances are the only "new" Star Trek show any network would put out currently would be a reality show with a bunch of embarassingly costumed people stuck in a house together, arguing over what color the warp coils should be painted...when they're eliminated/voted off they have to step on a cheezy transporter set and get "beamed off" the show...
I'm not making fun of trek, I'm commenting on how shallow "TV" is these days.

I'd love to see any Trek premise, as long as it was well-executed and, well, intelligent, artisic, inventive, and ENTERTAINING.

If some of those "TV people" had half the passion and attention to detail that so many of the people on these boards do, I think you could certainly see some good stuff on the tube.
 
April is supposed to be an Englishman, isn't he? For some reason - probably the cover art of one of the novels he appeared in - I keep thinking of Michael Palin in the role.
 
April is supposed to be an Englishman, isn't he?

He is only an Englishman in a few of the novels, particularly "Final Frontier" and "Best Destiny." And that was just going off the, imo, American version as depicted in TAS. In Carey's novels, he shown to be a "grandpa type" where he is warm and happy to see and talk to anyone.

Other sources have it different, such as "Star Trek: Early Voyages" comic where it shows April as a bit of a know-it-all prick.

In short, April is a very open slate, other than in a few scattered notes that say he first captained the Enterprise.
 
I mean, the folks behind "Flash Gordon" are pretty well thought of out there, you know?


Is that a joke? I saw the first five episodes and thought that show sucked serious donkey's balls.


Not a joke at all - your not liking a particular series is a personal opinion, not useful information about the career or reputation of the people responsible. The Halmis have been successful producers for decades, and they continue to do well.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0356849/

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0356850/

They're very well thought of. :)

Most of the skiffy entertainment we follow so avidly and praise so highly "sucks serious donkey balls" in the opinions of most television viewers - which is why it can't bring in audiences big enough to justify substantial budgets or even survive on the networks, and is therefore relegated to the ghetto of low-budget cable.
 
I say no. Leave Captain April to the novels. Maybe a Captain Pike series would be more doable. After all, there is at least 13 years of material, according to Spock's comment on when the events of Talos IV take place. But then again, the whole prequel thing was kind of done to death on ENT. -- RR
 
Why would ParaCBSmout want to dilute an already testy product by using the same designs and setting for a television show if they're finding success with it in films?

If anything, I would think the move would be to keep the 23rd century setting, but do something very different from the film(s) in that setting. Maybe something along the lines of Star Trek: Vanguard, allowing for more than just the same ship and a crew every week.

Or maybe something set on a different type of Starfleet vessel in the TOS era, like a border cutter or pure science vessel. Or perhaps a civilian transport or cargo ship.

The point is, I seriously doubt TPTB would put out a new series set on the Enterprise (regardless of when) when they've already got a movie series set on the Enterprise.

And I personally think it would be better to leave the Enterprise alone in a new series. If you want to visit Bob April, have him become canon in a sequel to the new Star Trek film. Have Tom Hanks play him or something.

But a new/not so new series? With the same setting, production design, uniforms, tech, etc? Every week? While movies with the same aesthetic and on the SAME SHIP are running concurrently?

Sounds like the formula that ultimately destroyed TNG-era Trek.

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