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I was 20 when TMP came out and I really liked the film..still do to this day. I felt Star Wars was good too, but kind of shallow. Lots of action and spec effects. Which is how Trek XI appeal to me. Very similar to Star Wars.
Star Trek (2009) Surpasses TMP in Inflation-Adjusted Numbers!
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Same here. But I came to TMP having purposely avoided the first SW, so I had no initial comparison whatsoever. Even though I did enjoy the first two SW very much, and the total ridiculousness that was "Jedi" (still a fun night at the cinema, though), I'd already been enchanted by TMP.
Once I'd found ST fandom in 1980, and caught up on every TOS episode I'd missed, I was part of a large group who went to first night openings of anything science fictiony. With "Star Wars", I'd kinda missed the boat. I was 19, in my first year at teachers college, studying hard, and firmly believed that one ever never went to the cinema alone. Most of my college friends were mature age students, and "Star Wars" never really rated a mention with them.
I've never really even checked the date: SW premiered Down Under on 27 October 1977. My family had just moved house, and I was deep into my first practicum as a student teacher: a class of 43 Kindergarten children. Lots of long commuting by public transport, and weekends spent making teaching aids and writing lesson plans. Wrong tme to discover a new SF franchise.
TMP premiered the week after my college course had finished - and I was a free man! Its gala sneak preview had been a few days before my 21st birthday, and old school friends had been to the screening and couldn't stop talking about it. I was inspired!
So much is in the timing.
"Star Trek: The Motion Picture":
I felt like I was in that movie. Hence my first
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I have no problem using this inflation calculator. Just dial 82.258 and select 1979 and you will get $242.3 million for ST:TMP domestic gross.I'm curious how you got any sort of result out of that, given that the calculator gave me an error message saying it couldn't handle a base number larger than 10 million.
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Its a simple principle used in maths and programming all the time, devide it by a value e.g. 1,000,000(lets call it 'M') do you maths and later times it by the value again.
For example
$82,258,456 / 1,000,000 = 82.26M
I put that into the calc...
it gave me $213.49
so thats
$213.49M or $213,490,000
What do you think all those symbols in math are? M = million, K = thousand, G = Billion etc.
Also npsf3000 you selected 1980 inflation number and not 1979. That is why you get $213.49 million. ST:TMP was released in 1979 and made bulk of its money in 1979.
I didn't do anything, I just used the link in question. (so yeah, your probably right)
I have no problem using this inflation calculator. Just dial 82.258 and select 1979 and you will get $242.3 million for ST:TMP domestic gross.I'm curious how you got any sort of result out of that, given that the calculator gave me an error message saying it couldn't handle a base number larger than 10 million.
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Its a simple principle used in maths and programming all the time, devide it by a value e.g. 1,000,000(lets call it 'M') do you maths and later times it by the value again.
For example
$82,258,456 / 1,000,000 = 82.26M
I put that into the calc...
it gave me $213.49
so thats
$213.49M or $213,490,000
What do you think all those symbols in math are? M = million, K = thousand, G = Billion etc.
Also npsf3000 you selected 1980 inflation number and not 1979. That is why you get $213.49 million. ST:TMP was released in 1979 and made bulk of its money in 1979.
While its true that TMP was released in 79 (and made probably at least 45 million of its gross before Jan 1st). But here is the thing. The figure we use is for the average of the year 1979, with at least a third of its gross being in the year 1980 that right there is going to decrease teh adjusted value. And the fact that it is quite likely that the average ticket price of December 79 was different then the average ticket process of 1979 that would also lower the adjusted figure.
Of course we also need to consider for new trek the dollar value of the imax tickets as also inflated its numbers. So we are never going to get an real stark perfect comparison between the two.
But certainly with the adjusted value of Motion Picture we should absolutely consider the fact that at least a third of its sales were in fact in 1980.
But no matter even without the real accurate conversion for the Motion Picture and with the additional revenue (per ticket) for this Trek's imax sales, by the end of its US run it will certainly have sold more tickets (assuming an even number of child, senior, student and adult tickets for each of the two films.
I saw Treks 1-9 on opening day. I have to say I enjoyed all of them EXCEPT 5, which made my head hurt. After all is said and done, TMP comes in second in my list of ST movies I watch over and over. Even though in the theater at 14 I was thinking "wasn't this an episode?" (it was-"The Changeling covered the same basic premise) I still loved it-perhaps because I had never seen any new Trek-and perhaps because I loved these characters and seeing them back together on the screen. In any event, I knew it was flawed-and loved it anyway.
When the Directors Edition came out-I felt like they fixed many of the flaws, and it has become a movie I rewatch frequently. Do some people think it's a bag-yes. I disagree. (oh I know, can't have that around here!)
Star Trek (09) is one of my favorite movies this year, will it become one I rewatch? Hard to say. I'll buy it though. I look forward to the next one, and I hope it's better that Transformers 2. If not-It might join that dusty copy of ST V I have on my shelf!
When the Directors Edition came out-I felt like they fixed many of the flaws, and it has become a movie I rewatch frequently. Do some people think it's a bag-yes. I disagree. (oh I know, can't have that around here!)
Star Trek (09) is one of my favorite movies this year, will it become one I rewatch? Hard to say. I'll buy it though. I look forward to the next one, and I hope it's better that Transformers 2. If not-It might join that dusty copy of ST V I have on my shelf!
Well as much as I liked the more 2001?andromeda Strain feel of the Motion Picture, it didn't feel like Star Trek to me at all.
You have to remember for many of us old timers, we had religiously watched TOS (at the time of the release) I had probably seen each episode at least 15-20 times and the tone of this film was nothing like Star Trek (the message was, though). Where was the over the top humor, the camp, the action and adventure, even most of the banter was gone. This truly was not the same tone or style of Trek.
In many ways I think this film (warts and all) is closer to the tone of TOS.
In fact as Star Trek I don't like the Motion Picture much, as a single movie (and no connection to TOS) its not bad. But I can't separate those two completely. Hell I think the Motion Picture would work far more successfully as a movie for the Next Generation (where its tone and style are much closer).
You have to remember for many of us old timers, we had religiously watched TOS (at the time of the release) I had probably seen each episode at least 15-20 times and the tone of this film was nothing like Star Trek (the message was, though). Where was the over the top humor, the camp, the action and adventure, even most of the banter was gone. This truly was not the same tone or style of Trek.
In many ways I think this film (warts and all) is closer to the tone of TOS.
In fact as Star Trek I don't like the Motion Picture much, as a single movie (and no connection to TOS) its not bad. But I can't separate those two completely. Hell I think the Motion Picture would work far more successfully as a movie for the Next Generation (where its tone and style are much closer).
This is the part that surprises me; you became a fan on the basis of TMP! I love your fan-fic picture. And my hat is off to you for all those kindergarteners.
To me the TMP was like a bad episode of the TOS, sorry but some of the TV shows from the TOS are better, than that movie.
Like many of you I can still watch the TOS over and over again and enjoy it, but not the TMP.
But back on topic, any way you slice it the inflation numbers game Star Trek 09 is passing adjusted for inflation TMP, and that's very good but really it's a meaningless statistic.
I am more interested in Star Trek's penetration into the top 50 movies of all time.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
check it out.
Like many of you I can still watch the TOS over and over again and enjoy it, but not the TMP.
But back on topic, any way you slice it the inflation numbers game Star Trek 09 is passing adjusted for inflation TMP, and that's very good but really it's a meaningless statistic.
I am more interested in Star Trek's penetration into the top 50 movies of all time.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm
check it out.
Yep. My grandmother owned the only (b/w) TV in the house and my younger brothers and I watched what she watched. Although we were allowed to see shows like "Batman", "Please Don't Eat the Daisies", "The Doris Day Show", "Captain Nice", "Mr Terrific" and "Disney's Wonderful World of Color" - in glorious b/w - on a Sunday night (if we were very well behaved), she must have watched something else whenever ST was on. (I caught a few TAS in b/w on Saturday mornings, though).
Color TV came to Australia in late 1975, and we got about ten TOS ep repeats to celebrate. TAS was also repeated - during midweek breakfast TV, but I missed many of them, although caught a few I'd previously seen in b/w, which was... fascinating.
But my knowledge of TOS was extremely sketchy. The Roddenberry novelization, then soundtrack, and then actual movie of ST:TMP, just blew me away!
Therin, you are a credit to your race. 
It's funny; Disney's WWoC was also broadcast on Sunday nights here, on NBC with that name from 1961 to 1969. It was hugely popular with kids. That's when I would have loved to watch it, except that my parents were dedicated church goers and always attended Sunday night services. I only saw it if I came down ill, and I never was a good faker.
It's funny; Disney's WWoC was also broadcast on Sunday nights here, on NBC with that name from 1961 to 1969. It was hugely popular with kids. That's when I would have loved to watch it, except that my parents were dedicated church goers and always attended Sunday night services. I only saw it if I came down ill, and I never was a good faker.
hmm.. all it needs is 5mil more.
Nope - I was seven when SW premiered so I was the EXACT right age(10 and 13 for the next two films). SW was MY thing and I was known amongst family and friends as the SW kid. SW was what got me into SF but when I saw TMP as a nine year old in 1979, that was so different and so serious and just something else. I never viewed SW as any kind of future we could have. How could it be our future when the future I KNEW of was the one inhabited by the Robinsons with their silver spaceship and fancy robot? TMP was THAT very future writ LARGE on the big screen for me.
And it REALLY excited me!!!
Funny thing is, I just watched TMP a few months back with my partner, as part of a"Let's watch all the films in a row" deal, because he had not seen many of them and only knew fragments of some.
He is like me and one of his favourite films is "2001". I knew he would find much to appreciate in TMP but I was not ready for him to proclaim it his favourite of the series. Like me, he loved the depth in the story and the way space was treated like something vast and grand. People take their jobs seriosly - there is almost a ritualistic way in which they go about their business, like it's REALLY important and they are actually military officers charged with duties.
I actually really LIKE the so-called "stuffiness" and pedantic nature of the first film. It makes TMP stand out as COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from any other ST film and, if only for THAT, I am very glad it exists. Thankfully it exists for many other reasons and not the least of those is Goldsmith's incredibly beautiful score.
Oh and I have great taste in partners!
He is like me and one of his favourite films is "2001". I knew he would find much to appreciate in TMP but I was not ready for him to proclaim it his favourite of the series. Like me, he loved the depth in the story and the way space was treated like something vast and grand. People take their jobs seriosly - there is almost a ritualistic way in which they go about their business, like it's REALLY important and they are actually military officers charged with duties.
I actually really LIKE the so-called "stuffiness" and pedantic nature of the first film. It makes TMP stand out as COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from any other ST film and, if only for THAT, I am very glad it exists. Thankfully it exists for many other reasons and not the least of those is Goldsmith's incredibly beautiful score.
Oh and I have great taste in partners!
80 million is a reasonably accurate figure* for U.S population increase for that period of time, and please stop shouting -- we read just fine in lower-case.
Also: I fixed your quote tags for you. Do try to be careful about those.
* See for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Population#Population_growth
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html