Star Trek 2009 discontinuity from canon.

[Set Harth]

The Kelvin was super scaled

And this somehow conflicts with a Prime continuity that never said anything about whether or not any ships were "super scaled" in 2233?

Chekov's age changed

How is a change happening after 2233 supposed to be evidence of a preexisting alternate timeline?

 

[ChowdaHead]

Take a look at the videos in my signature - pre-Abrams Trek is riddled with HUGE game-breaking continuity errors. Voyager and TOS can't possibly co-exist in the same universe going by their treatment of warp speed, for example. The new movies fit in just fine as the writers intended (a branching continuity from 2233), IMO.

If Saavik and Zefram Cochrane can look completely different with nobody noticing, than the Enterprise can look sleeker too. It's all the same thing.

Yeah, I understand. In the end it's what you and Chowda are saying is correct. I'm just kind of nitpicking and trying to explain away inconsistencies but it's like you said - when the Narada arrived, it created the Alternate Universe. Trying to explain differences in looks, extra-galactic aliens and other things really isn't worth thinking too much about when in the end Abrams and company are just trying to make Star Trek appealing again (or to the masses or whatever).

I dunno, I'd have to say the JJverse was already an alternate reality before Nero flew into it. The Kelvin was super scaled, Chekov's age changed, the San Fransisco Shipyard moved to Iowa and well... whole threads dedicated to all this.

But TNG handwaved all the alternate universes with the whole "every choice possible is made in an alternate reality." Not sure I buy into that, but time travel and alternate universes are Trek cliches.

Still wanna know why those black holes are selective when they do and don't have ship crushing gravity.

you've stated events that happen after kelvin incident. chekovs age, being born after kelvin incident, and where the enterprise was built a couple decades and some years later are both post kelvin alterations.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

He also wasn't from Earth.

Cochrane was from Earth, but moved to Alpha Centauri. Seems simple enough. Fits nicely with his abrupt disappearance.

 

[Nob Akimoto]

There's a substantial difference between recasting a character in a similar appearance and changing them to be John Whitebread.

Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?

In the next movie they should introduce Kyle on transporter as a proper Sikh with turban and beard. He can turn from a whitebread Englishman to an ethnic Sikh. Would that make everyone happy?

Cochrane in TOS was a younger version, wasn't it? Did his age get reversed and he made it through all his AA meetings? So it would make some sense I suppose.

I prefer TNG Cochrane anyhow. He was a fun character.

The cynicism of FC Cochrane was explained pretty well in the novelization. He had a severe case of bipolar disorder, and with WWIII was off his meds, so was self-medicating with alcohol. Watching everything he cared about go up in nuclear smoke made him couch everything in cynical terms, but that a lot of it was an act to help him cope.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Khan isn't wearing a turban when on Ceti Alpha V. Whatever that thing is, it's not a turban - just part of the protective gear that all of his people wore. Didn't look at all like Sikh religious garb.

FreeDictionary definition of "turban": 1. A traditionally Muslim headdress consisting of a long scarf of linen, cotton, or silk that is wound around a small cap or directly around the head.

Certainly looked like a generic "headdress consisting of a long scarf of linen, cotton, or silk that is wound around a small cap or directly around the head" to me. I never said it was a Sikh turban.

 

[Commishsleer]

Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?

In the next movie they should introduce Kyle on transporter as a proper Sikh with turban and beard. He can turn from a whitebread Englishman to an ethnic Sikh. Would that make everyone happy?

Cochrane in TOS was a younger version, wasn't it? Did his age get reversed and he made it through all his AA meetings? So it would make some sense I suppose.

I prefer TNG Cochrane anyhow. He was a fun character.

The cynicism of FC Cochrane was explained pretty well in the novelization. He had a severe case of bipolar disorder, and with WWIII was off his meds, so was self-medicating with alcohol. Watching everything he cared about go up in nuclear smoke made him couch everything in cynical terms, but that a lot of it was an act to help him cope.

Its a non-canon explanation.
They'll be a non-canon explanation for Khan's ethnicity no doubt. I think its supposed to be in the comics.

 

[F. King Daniel]

There's a substantial difference between recasting a character in a similar appearance and changing them to be John Whitebread.

Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?

I've no idea how true it is, but I've read here that someone originally wanted Cochrane to be female in First Contact.

 

[Balrog]

Probably Ron Moore.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

If it was Moore, then it probably would have worked really well.

 

[shapeshifter]

Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?

From the Metamorphosis script;

KIRK: Mister Cochrane, do you have a first name?
COCHRANE: Zefram.
KIRK: Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centuri, the discoverer of the space warp?
COCHRANE: That's right, Captain.
MCCOY: But that's impossible. Zefram Cochrane died a hundred and fifty years ago.
SPOCK: The name of Zefram Cochrane is revered throughout the known galaxy. Planets were named after him. Great universities, cities.
KIRK: Isn't your story a little improbable, Mister Cochrane?
COCHRANE: No, it's true. I was eighty seven years old when I came here.
KIRK: You say this Companion found you and rejuvenated you? What were you doing in space at the age of eighty seven?
COCHRANE: I was tired, Captain. I was going to die, and I wanted to die in space. That's all.
SPOCK: True, his body was never found.
COCHRANE: You're looking at it, Mister Spock.

Being rejuvenated from a tired old man to a young vibrant man would do wonders for ones appearance and personality, don't you think? Plus it nicely ties in with with his disappearance in Enterprise.



To the OP, It's a reboot. If something in NuTrek aligns with canon then do a happy dance. If something doesn't align then our options are simple; like it or lump it.

 

[Opus]

Cochrane a female? That was Brannon Braga. He didn't know TOS, and when he and Moore were writing FC and looking for a love interest for Picard suggested Cochrane because he thought he was a she.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There's a substantial difference between recasting a character in a similar appearance and changing them to be John Whitebread.

Zefram Cochrane had a totally different personality as well as appearance. That still annoys me - like Berman and Braga had said "stuff you" to TOS. Still what can you do?

By "different" I assume you mean an actual personality.

 

[Franklin]

Cochrane a female? That was Brannon Braga. He didn't know TOS, and when he and Moore were writing FC and looking for a love interest for Picard suggested Cochrane because he thought he was a she.

He was a she? That would've been a walk on the wild side.