Star Trek (2009) Did Something No Movie Has Ever Done
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It raped Goddenberry's vision!!!!! That's what it did that no Trek ever did before!!!!
Hogwash!
and Balderdash!
(Good one, King D! )
I think that was the way Terminator Salvation was initially conceived but it didn't really get into to that aspect was more of a sequel/prequelIt's rare but not quite unique. X-Men: Days of Future Past did the same thing sans the remake part, and Terminator Genisys is set to try it next month. Star Trek made time travel reboots all the rage
Even Terminator 3 probably falls under this definition (or the Sarah Connor Chronicles, if we count TV). Basically it's a reboot with time travel, which Star Trek didn't do first, it maybe just popularized it and was more straightforward about it.
maybe even T2?
Also Escape from Planet of the Apes? (& Conquest/Battle)
maybe even T2?
It's true that T2 is basically just a flashier remake of the first one, but at the same time they:
- Kept the same creative team
- Kept the same applicable actors
- Kept the same continuity more or less
There are certainly some differences, but it was always meant to be a sequel and not really a reboot.
T3 really flushed most of that stuff except for Arnold (and I guess Earl Boen). But then again, Trek kept Nimoy, so there's that.
It's rare but not quite unique. X-Men: Days of Future Past did the same thing sans the remake part, and Terminator Genisys is set to try it next month. Star Trek made time travel reboots all the rage
Unfortunately the alternate timeline, time travel, reboot crap is starting to wear thin. I mean even tv shows have touched on this subject(Fringe).
Ooh, good one. I was going to mention that the Terminator franchise has been venturing into this territory, too, but you're right, Escape beats them all to the punch.
It's a sequel, a prequel, and it reboots the timeline!
Clearly, Paul Dehn (the screenwriter) was ahead of his time!
Yes he was. Like I mentioned earlier its being overused now. I am starting to prefer revivals such as the X-Files and Twin Peaks or the earlier revivals of Star Trek.
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Yes it was.
Not at all. In fact a great many of the changes made to the original trilogy since the prequels were made to bring it back in line with them.
I though Escape was going for a stable time loop.
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So they re filmed it to include that the mandalorians wiped out the Jedi?
You should explain those changes better in a different thread, because I have no clue what you mean by that.
Perhaps the most infamous example is when Lucas replaced Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christenen for Anakin Skywalker's ghost at the end of Return of the Jedi.
Yep. Also minor things like some of the prequel aliens in Jabba's Palace, and some of the prequel droids and aliens on Tatooine in the first film.
Either way, nope, not a reboot, just a prequel trilogy spearheaded by a man who didn't watch his original films very carefully before doing so.
I think there were some differences in the origins of how the POTA came to be from original Apes and Escape onwards (cant remember exactly what though think it might've been how the first talking ape came to be? I don't know if an 'alternate timeline' ala ST09 was intended back then though so maybe it was intended to be a loop thing and any discrepancies were unintended) personally I never liked the whole time travel/origins stuff of Escape onwards and that the explanation that Apes took over humans because some virus wiped cats and dogs out and humans wanted apes to replace them lol. I much prefer the implied explanation in Apes 1/2 that mankind came to an end via nuclear war and in the aftermath somehow apes became to dominant species but would've taken thousands of years..
talking Apes, at the time of Rise of the Apes - I think i remember reading some reviews, speculations etc where it talked of it being a prequel to the original films (I guess because of the brief Icarus scene). obviously the new Apes movies are full on reboots like Batman Begins and the Icarus leaves earth a different decade anyway but I just wonder if in the future movies if/when they deal with the Icarus coming back to the far future/time warps if they will jump into the many worlds alternate timelines thing that ST09 has now popularized (& that Escape seemed to do) and somehow connect the new movies with the originals in a this has all happened before but differently in an alternate timeline thing (maybe just implied not a full on major plot point).
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My impression was that the last (classic) Apes movie reset the timeline, setting up the TV series where humans spoke and we're on slightly better terms with the Apes than the movies.
Arguably, the timeline was reset when Zira and Cornelius came back in time in ESCAPE. Cornelius's description of the ape revolution in that movie conflicts with what we later see in CONQUEST and BATTLE. In particular, he says in ESCAPE that the ape revolution was led by Aldo, not a talking chimp named Caesar.
Of course, the fact that Cornelius even knows how the apes took over contradicts the original movie, in which the fact that humans had once been in charge was a deep dark secret . . ..
No they weren't. They also weren't sequels, etc.
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