Ummm. No.
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Ummm. No.
I went in expecting a fun action adventure film and that's what I got. To be honest, I didn't feel the BSG "depression". I loved this film and i'm getting as many of my friends to go along to it. That's not to disrespect your views in any manner either....
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I definitely do not want to see Khan redone. Aside from the fact that JJ's movie was more or less a Khan retread (not a criticism, I loved the movie), I just start getting a whole "Bryan Singer Superman Returns" vibe from the constant worship of "Wrath of Khan". Yes its my favorite ST movie, just like Donner's Superman is one of my favorite superhero movies. But constantly rehashing the same old film is just tiresome. Enough. Especially when you have gigantic budgets to do whatever you want now.
If you want to remake something, how about remaking TMP but with a sense of motion and fun while still tackling heady sci-fi ideas? Frankly I'd love to see this new cast get up to their ears in some REAL shit.
If you want to remake something, how about remaking TMP but with a sense of motion and fun while still tackling heady sci-fi ideas? Frankly I'd love to see this new cast get up to their ears in some REAL shit.
Dark can be done without the need to get a stiff drink after the film. Dark can be really compelling and I trust JJ Abrams has the talent to do it.
Examples where a dark story has been done really well:
Star Wars - Episode 5 The Empire Strikes Back: clearly the darkest and most "haunted" of the original trillogy. But, on top of that there was a glimmer of hope for the characters not to mention the slow unpeeling of the story.
Batman Dark Knight: very much the same as the Empire Strikes Back. I think the best moment in this film which demonstrates this is at the end of the film where Batman tells the Joker that no matter terror and fear he attempted to inject into the city, the people of Gotham City were still prepared to believe in unity and hope. That seriously almost produced a tear in my eye...
Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: undeniably a very sombre and brooding affair but also balanced well with some of the Willie/Jones humour plus some gross-out moments too. The movie also finishes quite optimistically to pay the audience off after the horror of the temple...
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind: when you think of it, this is a pretty dark story since it involves a former couple going to extreme lengths to literally have their memories wiped of one another. Through all of the heartbreak they endure, there's also a humour underlying it all and by the end of the film, the question of whether they are wiser people from their experiences arises...
While these films are dramtically different in their story subject matter, they address some pretty heavy duty issues while exploring the ironies of the characters and their situations. Once all of this is dealt with, it is established that there is some positive outlook afterall but with some fairly steep costs.
This is exactly where I can see Star Trek heading and really working well. The current situation in the Abramsverse is that we have the Federation at war with the Klingons and Vulcan has been eradicated. What a brilliant opportunity for a war story, the opportunity has never been this great since DS9 with the Dominion War. I say go for it, go all out but without forgetting the things that make a story important: story and the question of morals with some amazing spectacle too.
I just HOPE they do not intend on trying to bring Vulcan back....
I definitely concur that the next film should be more cerebral (I'd like that, at least). My second viewing of the film was rendered imperfect by my realization that there wasn't much to "chew" on intellectually, as there often has been in the past (with Nemesis or First Contact or a good many of the films or TV episodes).
But then a friend of mine helped me realize, esp. regarding the new Kirk/Spock, there is a bit of intellectuality going on, one just has to be ready to see it, and it isn't so strong as to put the (new) fans we'd need to see the film so that Abrams and co. will have the money to make a sequel.
Oddly, I find I trust Abrams and co. They've gone to great lengths to do the best job they could to respect "canon" and what not, and I think that they'll do a good job so long as they now realize that they no longer have to respect it in the way that they did with this film. This film was them rebooting the franchise in order to bring new fans in and bring Trek back to life in the modern world. So long as they don't, say, try and force adherence to what we've seen before (Khan, Klingons, Borg, whatever) in the ways we've seen these things before, I'll be happy.
But then a friend of mine helped me realize, esp. regarding the new Kirk/Spock, there is a bit of intellectuality going on, one just has to be ready to see it, and it isn't so strong as to put the (new) fans we'd need to see the film so that Abrams and co. will have the money to make a sequel.
Oddly, I find I trust Abrams and co. They've gone to great lengths to do the best job they could to respect "canon" and what not, and I think that they'll do a good job so long as they now realize that they no longer have to respect it in the way that they did with this film. This film was them rebooting the franchise in order to bring new fans in and bring Trek back to life in the modern world. So long as they don't, say, try and force adherence to what we've seen before (Khan, Klingons, Borg, whatever) in the ways we've seen these things before, I'll be happy.
There's a "3 Year Later" gap where you work in Gary Mitchell. Re-work WNMHGB, but have them limp to Talos IV, instead of the mining planet. Mitchell comes into his power in the hands of the Talosians. Mix up the concept that are there.
You could also work the back story of "Mudd's Women" into a new story. Have Mudd and his cargo of lovlies on board and enroute to the dilitihium mines the ship encounters something new and different, could even have Mudd or Eve save the day.
Earth, Vulcan and Starfleet have been changed, but things that have had no contact with those elements should remain the same, could make some interesting novels or an animated series about 2nd takes on familiar stories, but leave the movies to new (or mostly new) stories.
Earth, Vulcan and Starfleet have been changed, but things that have had no contact with those elements should remain the same, could make some interesting novels or an animated series about 2nd takes on familiar stories, but leave the movies to new (or mostly new) stories.
You just know it's going to be either Khan or Klingons, but personally I'd like to see them going and exploring and seeking out new threats...
In fact, let's just have Star Trek: To Boldly Go as both title and mission statement.
In fact, let's just have Star Trek: To Boldly Go as both title and mission statement.
I want some Tribbles! 
Seriously, I do not want to see the Borg in this Trek timeline.
Klingon war or a Eugenics war storyline I can take, even though the eugenics thing was done in Enterprise. It's kind of comforting to know that somewhere out there, even in this NuTrek timeline, Khan is waiting to be reanimated.
A separate question: From an action/space battle standpoint, would anyone have objections to the NuTrek Enterprise having a separating saucer section and a battle bridge? I know such a thing is probably heresay canon wise, but since canon has sort of. .well, been shot out the window
Seriously, I do not want to see the Borg in this Trek timeline.
Klingon war or a Eugenics war storyline I can take, even though the eugenics thing was done in Enterprise. It's kind of comforting to know that somewhere out there, even in this NuTrek timeline, Khan is waiting to be reanimated.
A separate question: From an action/space battle standpoint, would anyone have objections to the NuTrek Enterprise having a separating saucer section and a battle bridge? I know such a thing is probably heresay canon wise, but since canon has sort of. .well, been shot out the window
I'll guess we'll see Klingons in the next one. I'd vote for no remakes of old episodes, but having said that, if someone could take some snippet from one of them and work that up as a movie (like TWOK did with Space Seed) that might be the best way to go - keep something for fans of TOS and rework it.
Anyone know if novels based on the new movie are planned for release?
Anyone know if novels based on the new movie are planned for release?
I think what is needed for the next trek film is to see a movie that is about Kirk as a miltary strategist like balance of terror. the reason that TWOK worked so well was it was about Kirk going up against an enemy and matching strategy for strategy. The same was true for balance of terror. It would be interesting to see how a younger Kirk deals with the issues of command.
Please God no remake! And if it is one, then please God not Khan! What good come possibly come of that?
No, make something new. These guys are so creative - just look at Damon Lindelof and what he's doing on Lost - they can come up with something that's not just a rehash. And they should!
But I do like the idea of branching off of a TOS episode. Make the film's opening (like the Kelvin sequence) a spectacular remake of an original episode's climax and then go off in a different direction. For example, the rescue of Kirk from the Defiant and the escape from the Tholian web which would then connect to some brand new story about Tholians. Or something.
No, make something new. These guys are so creative - just look at Damon Lindelof and what he's doing on Lost - they can come up with something that's not just a rehash. And they should!
But I do like the idea of branching off of a TOS episode. Make the film's opening (like the Kelvin sequence) a spectacular remake of an original episode's climax and then go off in a different direction. For example, the rescue of Kirk from the Defiant and the escape from the Tholian web which would then connect to some brand new story about Tholians. Or something.
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This post prompted me to fire up Wikipedia and read a synopsis of the Tholian Web. That's the sort of dramatic adventure that would make a really good movie. It really has all the hallmarks, intriguing mystery, crew members going nuts, intergalactic battles and traps, sci-fi concepts
They need a great antagonist that comes to challenge Kirk and his crew and in the process defines them. Nero sort of played this role in Star Trek,
I like the Klingon's for that role, and personally believe they are due for a bit of an overhaul in terms of appearance and personality. In terms of appearance, they could use CGI and better makeup to make them look more alien. I always imagined the Klingons being more animalistic in nature, ruthless barbarians in outer-space that set entire worlds on fire after looting them for all of their valuables. You could draw Kirk and crew into this by having them kill someone he cares about or something like that, setting up his hatred for the Klingons that so well defined him in ToS.
The Federation-Klingon War could be absolutely epic if done right! You could have the Klingons assaulting Federation planets, completely obliterating them from orbit, etc, etc. There are a number of possible action sequences that would be great.
but he died in the end so there is no chance of bringing him back.
I like the Klingon's for that role, and personally believe they are due for a bit of an overhaul in terms of appearance and personality. In terms of appearance, they could use CGI and better makeup to make them look more alien. I always imagined the Klingons being more animalistic in nature, ruthless barbarians in outer-space that set entire worlds on fire after looting them for all of their valuables. You could draw Kirk and crew into this by having them kill someone he cares about or something like that, setting up his hatred for the Klingons that so well defined him in ToS.
The Federation-Klingon War could be absolutely epic if done right! You could have the Klingons assaulting Federation planets, completely obliterating them from orbit, etc, etc. There are a number of possible action sequences that would be great.
This.
Events from the original TL can have little nods to it slipped in, (like dialogue which references those events as after the fact) to show those events are happening in this TL too, but all new should be the main focus.
