Standing the test of time...

[xortex]

Well the Human/alien equation might be more accurate IMO, if there even is a difference between the two things.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Does TOS itself, without considering the rest of the franchise, really stand the test of time in any significant way that is better than any myriad of other shows from that era and earlier?

It's impossible to say whether TOS would be much more than nostalgia harking back to the 1980s if the studio hadn't found a way to extend the TV show and spin-off movies into a real franchise. The modern Trek shows created a generation of young fans.

 

[Joker]

Heh, guess someone else did mention that.

 

[xortex]

There's on of the younger fans now in his avatar looking like he had his childhood raped.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well the Human/alien equation might be more accurate IMO, if there even is a difference between the two things.

Its just human. Aliens are simply metaphors, standins and reflections of humanities different aspects, problems and attitudes. Spock's role is that of the outsider who can make comments on "humanity" ( its self a metaphor for Western culture). In another setting he would be an Indian, a Muslim or a country boy. Aliens like the Horta represent the unknown and different. The guy who has a different language, skincolor or religion who is simply protecting his family/home/nation. In the end everyone is "human" with problems we can all identify with. Which might be why Star Trek has endured.

 

[xortex]

GR said we are all aliens(strangers) (in)on a strange planet(land) with an appointment with whatever we are. Star Trek's message - 'Get back to work. Back, Back, you animals.' cue in Ben Hur's rowing scene music and whip lashing. Let's see what's out there. Thataway, beyond the farthest star. We have met the enemy aliens (terrorists?) and they are us.

'The best way to destroy your worst enemy is to make them your friend'
Robert Hewitt Wolfe - Andromeda

Tonto saved the lone Ranger's life plenty of times. Spock was a side kick and a guide but he was superior in many ways. Vulcans may have been the source of all the trouble the Federation got into with the Romulans.

 

[Nerys Myk]

GR said we are all aliens(strangers) (in)on a strange planet(land) with an appointment with whatever we are. Star Trek's message - 'Get back to work. Back, Back, you animals.' cue in Ben Hur's rowing scene music and whip lashing. Let's see what's out there. Thataway, beyond the farthest star. We have met the enemy aliens (terrorists?) and they are us.

'The best way to destroy your worst enemy is to make them your friend'
Robert Hewitt Wolfe - Andromeda

Tonto saved the lone Ranger's life plenty of times. Spock was a side kick and a guide but he was superior in many ways. Vulcans may have been the source of all the trouble the Federation got into with the Romulans.

WTF

 

[JarodRussell]

Sounds like something William Shatner would recite on Conan's show.

 

[Nerys Myk]

After how many beers?

 

[MacLeod]

Why do some shows last longer / have an impact more than others. I suspect it's down to a number of factors, characters, stories etc.. ST unlike other shows appeared to have a cultural impact at least in the West, it spoke to our better qualities as humans.

How many other shows have entered the public consciouness, rather than simply being remembered. From that era perhaps the other grand daddy of TV Sci-Fi, DW?

 

[nightwind1]

GR said we are all aliens(strangers) (in)on a strange planet(land) with an appointment with whatever we are. Star Trek's message - 'Get back to work. Back, Back, you animals.' cue in Ben Hur's rowing scene music and whip lashing. Let's see what's out there. Thataway, beyond the farthest star. We have met the enemy aliens (terrorists?) and they are us.

'The best way to destroy your worst enemy is to make them your friend'
Robert Hewitt Wolfe - Andromeda

Tonto saved the lone Ranger's life plenty of times. Spock was a side kick and a guide but he was superior in many ways. Vulcans may have been the source of all the trouble the Federation got into with the Romulans.

WTF

We've given up trying to understand xortex a long time ago...

 

[xortex]

Twilight Zone there pal. Unbelievable writing.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which part? Your posts sound more William Burroughs than Rod Serling.

 

[xortex]

I'm talking about Rod Serling not me. Personalities again, shees. Spock found it distatefully annoying evidenced by the sheer fact that it is what killed Star Trek.

 

[Nerys Myk]

So the TZ comment was what? A non sequitur? It doesn't seem to tie into the conversation(s) at hand. (ETA: Were you trying to respond to MacLeods post?)

Spock found what distasteful? Personalities???? When did "he" mention this. And how would "he" know what Star Trek is or why it "died"?

 

[xortex]

Ok, nightwind beat me by a second to respond to DW being the grand daddy of all sci fi and most remembered.
Personalities, overblown power hungry yet fragile egos are what killed Star Trek. Hey did you see 'Hook'. What was never land without Peter Pan?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm pretty sure it was killed by low ratings and box office. I don't think the personalities involved had a hand in it.

Hook wasnt very good. But Never Land needs Peter and Hook.

 

[xortex]

My personal theory is that once one mediocre guy gets in there, he looks for other mediocre guys to support him. RB was mediocre from the beginning. Manny Coto was love at first sight.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Berman oversaw Trek through its most successfull and longest period on TV.

 

[JWD75]

Deus Ex Machina thy name is Spock.

Wesley Crusher and Commander Data are far worse examples. Without these two geniuses the Enterprise-D, one of the most advanced and powerful ships in starfleet, probably would not have survived a month.