A ST movie is always much more than its script.
ST-XI - Release Date Debate
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A ST movie is always much more than its script.
I didn't see NEM because the local theator didn't choose to run it. Probably a money-making choice on their part.
I did want to see it, despite the fact that the only guy who'd seen it said it was crap. I also wasn't on the internet back then.
I even bought the SE DVD because I'm a fair guy and I wanted to see if the movie suffered from the cuts. But most of the cuts were as lifeless or awkward as the rest of the movie.
Anyway, I don't think you can blame the competition across genres. Maid had no impact probably.
Narnia has more of a case for competition problems, but obviously if it was as populer as iron man it'd be doing better.
I did want to see it, despite the fact that the only guy who'd seen it said it was crap. I also wasn't on the internet back then.
I even bought the SE DVD because I'm a fair guy and I wanted to see if the movie suffered from the cuts. But most of the cuts were as lifeless or awkward as the rest of the movie.
Anyway, I don't think you can blame the competition across genres. Maid had no impact probably.
Narnia has more of a case for competition problems, but obviously if it was as populer as iron man it'd be doing better.
In NEM's case, it was MUCH less. I was SO HOPING the leaked/annotated script was fake. I hated, hated, HATED that it was pretty much exactly the same.
The 5 or 6 other people at the theatre I saw it in laughed and laughed. And in all the wrong places! It embarrassed and saddened me to be a Trek fan.
Haven't seen it since and never intend to again.
Same here. Nemeshit was a total failure and an embarrassment for everyone involved.
Man, it must be frustrating to be a fan of the series and movie that is most maligned here, Wowbagger. I can't think of anything good to say about Nemesis, but there were some episodes of Enterprise that I enjoyed even if I was very disappointed in the series as a whole.
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Am I glad that I don't give a damn about what someone says about a movie on the internet and that I don't feel compelled to know each and every thing that will happen in a movie in advance...
Nemesis was good. Not particularly good. But good.
I didn't see the script in advance of Nemesis and in fact I didn't even know it was about a clone of Picard I was that out of touch and spoiler free. When I saw it on DVD, I was very underwhelmed. I'm glad some people liked it, though it's a shame not enough did because I would have liked to have seen another TNG movie in hopes that the cast could have gone out with a bang.
Anyway, here's to hoping Star Trek XI is the success this franchise needs to reinvigorate it!
Anyway, here's to hoping Star Trek XI is the success this franchise needs to reinvigorate it!
It does, in fact, kinda suck. I love all five series, and it's great to be here for the TOS/TNG/DS9 fans around here, and you can't beat the BBS for ST09 speculation, but I'm getting to the point with my ENT fandom that I've started proposing crazy ideas of late.
Nemesis certainly had its share of flaws, and those flaws were not because of the script leaking. The leak made it worse, though, when the fans got a hold of the script and started realizing the flaws before it came out. So let's hope Abrams Trek doesn't have any such flaws... and, if it does, that the script doesn't leak first.
You have my utmost sympathy for I've had my favorite shows and movies bashed before and I know it can be grating at times. I just remind myself that people are entitled to their opinions, just like I'm entitled to mine. I never understand the vitriol some people threw at Enterprise's fanbase and not just the show itself. People on both sides were downright nasty to each other. I'm so glad the majority of that has subsided since the show was over. I also remember it being very bad back in the day when DS9 and Voyager were being aired concurrently too.
I hope this movie doesn't invoke that type of bitter flaming. Regardless, this forum will be an interesting place to be when May 9, 2009 rolls around!
I hope this movie doesn't invoke that type of bitter flaming. Regardless, this forum will be an interesting place to be when May 9, 2009 rolls around!
It feels to me like, now that we know how bad things can get, the Trekkies are rallying around this movie to a degree. There will still be the Shatner trolls on May 9, but I expect they will be shouted down. As will any dissent from the basic proposition that it was a pretty good movie.
Goodness knows I'll be on the front lines helping with the shouting.
As for the rest... it seems to me like, once Trekkies discovered the Internet, it became their favorite thing to tear down anything and everything that was coming out of the studios. So it doesn't surprise me to hear the occasional story about how rough it was to be a DS9 or VOY fan around here. We'll outgrow that impulse eventually--I feel that we are even now--but the cost has been very steep.
It's not just the Trekkies, though, and I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for anyone to outgrow the behavior you describe. A few months ago, I ran across a transcript of a chat log in which prepubescent fans of one variety of virtual pet (WebKinz, I think it was) were savaging those poor unfortunates who liked NeoPets instead. I suspect we've got a long way to go.
I didn't go to see Maid in Manhattan on opening weekend, but I did see it later on DVD rental.
Sad to say it, but as bad as it was....Nemesis was worse.
Or really, they were the same level of badness. It's just that Maid in Manhattan had Ralph Fiennes in it to take my mind off of my pain. Plus, since I expected it to suck, it was much less of a disappointment, relatively speaking....
....not to mention being a disappointment which I didn't pay nearly as much to experience.