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ST:TMP DC HD Fan Rebuild?

Fans scaled V'ger visually from the Enterprise fly over back in the 80's VHS years, and the physical model did have a scale that was worked from that where both taken into consideration when writing the novel.

"The size of V'ger's vessel has also been a subject of debate. In dialogue cut from the theatrical version of the movie, Decker says the spacecraft was seventy-eight kilometers (forty-eight miles) in length. The novel adaptation of the film gives the same dimension for the ship and states it as displacing six million times the amount of space as Enterprise. One popular non-canon site for Star Trek technical details, the Daystrom Institute Technical Library, listed V'ger's overall length at a staggering ninety-seven kilometers, stated as being determined from apparently careful measurement of the image of the refitted NCC-1701 from the movie's scenes, as the Enterprise traveled closely (at only five hundred meters distance, from the movie's dialogue) over the various parts of V'ger
's exterior structures, during the Federation starship's initial close examination of the "intruder" vessel. Another estimate places V'ger's colossal length at a much more conservative twenty kilometers instead, possibly based on the statement of replacement navigator DiFalco's "distance inside the intruder as seventeen kilometers," spoken just after Chekov reports that V'ger's "orbiting devices" were eighteen minutes from reaching their equidistant deployment points in Earth orbit, during the approach to Voyager 6's "island," in the most extreme part of V'ger's interior that the Enterprise was allowed access to. The latter estimate, however, would make V'ger impossibly smaller than the roughly seventy kilometer-long Whale Probe featured in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, given that the latter was passed by a Federation starship within minutes, rather than the near-hour it took to traverse even half of V'ger at a faster pace, much of which was carried out at only a half-kilometer distance from the "intruder's" hull."

97km is 60 miles. That's the biggest given scale before Ex Machina listing it at closer to 93 miles or 149km long which is considerably larger than any previous estimate. That's assuming ExMachina was working correctly with miles and not just canonising 93km based off of the original novel with a better estimate.
 
The latter estimate, however, would make V'ger impossibly smaller than the roughly seventy kilometer-long Whale Probe featured in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, given that the latter was passed by a Federation starship within minutes, rather than the near-hour it took to traverse even half of V'ger at a faster pace, much of which was carried out at only a half-kilometer distance from the "intruder's" hull."

For the record, that's from the Memory Alpha article on V'ger, and that last bit is particularly weird. One, there are no time-cues in TVH to show how long it took the Whale Probe to pass by different ships. Two, there are also no time-cues in TMP to show how long it took for the Enterprise to go over, and then into V'Ger. Third, there's no indication of the relative speeds in either of these cases. I almost wonder if the "near-hour" thing is just a knock on TMP's infamously slow pacing.

If I hadn't been yelled at most of the times I tried to participate in wikis beyond correcting misspellings, I'd probably cut the section myself.
 
Because they realized a cloud whose diameter was twice the distance from the Earth to the Sun (roughly 186 million miles, give or take a million) was just slightly more realistic (esp. given the size they'd worked out for V'Ger itself) than something 41 times that number? Something that big you wouldn't need sensors or outposts to see coming. You'd see that coming from clear across the Delta Quadrant.

(For comparison purposes: Star Wars' Starkiller Base, which easily dwarfed both Death Stars, was only 410 miles in diameter.)
 
I don't understand why they did that.

The bow wave of even the most slightly tangible cloud 82AU wide accelerated to warp, would not slow down perfectly as V'ger decelerated and blue shift, obliterating most of the Sol system ahead of it. Even at sublight, with V'ger letting it go, through momentum, would have devastating effects across our entire system and wipe out most life in it.

The 2AU cloud being shed by simply passing the heliopause means a tinier cloud that now just becomes part of the interstellar gas of the Oort cloud.
 
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