Why did Kirk go to Genesis? Why didn't he go straight to Vulcan? As far as he knew Spock was dead, so the whole point of Stealing the Enterprise was to help McCoy, not retrieve Spocks Body. I feel dumb for not wondering this much sooner.
ST:III This just occurred to me.....
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Sarek told Kirk that he must bring both McCoy and Spock to Mount Seleya.
Did they even intend for spocks torpedo to land on genesis? Always thought the way David exclaims 'it mustv soft landed' implied they intended to shoot Spock off into space in a traditional space burial and that it landing on genesis was just blind luck? (wonder if the torpedo soft landing on genesis FX in WOK was added at a later date along with the torpedo in fern garden genesis scenes?)
I think they did, as Sarek asks Kirk why he left Spock on Genesis, but they probably expected it to burn up in the atmosphere; a sort of space burial/cremation. Instead, because the still-forming planet's gravitational fields were in flux, the torpedo soft-landed.
chakoteya.net said:
that was lucky then
"You were lucky you failed in your plan to burn my son like some barbarian chieftain. Had you done so, McCoy would surely be lost to us by now. The mind and the body are not a duality, they are parts of a whole; if one is destroyed, the other must disintegrate. If they are separated... the longer apart, the greater the distance, the greater the strain (on McCoy)- until it becomes intolerable." - Sarek, ST III novelization
I don't think they planned for the torpedo to burn up in the atmosphere but I believe they did intend for it to bury it's self underground. David's line about the gravitational fields being in flux tells me that it caused it to soft land on the planet instead.
I've always wondered why they needed his body to but the truth is for the plot of the film, if they hadn't gone back for it we wouldn't have much of a movie or a Mister Spock so maybe best not to think about it to much!
I've always wondered why they needed his body to but the truth is for the plot of the film, if they hadn't gone back for it we wouldn't have much of a movie or a Mister Spock so maybe best not to think about it to much!
As originally written, The Grissom scenes come first, and Kirk learns the casket survived before his Captains log at the beginning of the movie, and the exact wording of the voiceover was tweaked when the scenes were reordered. “The news of Spock's tube has shaken me." This earlier version survives in the Novelization.
It's a good thing I don't have a dirty mind, otherwise Kirk being shaken by Spock's tube would mean something different.
Somehow, that immediately brought to mind a line of Nimoy's when he guest-starred on Shatner's show in 1983 between the two movies:
"Everything you're doing is getting in my way, Hooker!"
And in the DC Comics adaptation.
And honestly, the story makes more sense that way, but I guess Nimoy or the studio wanted to start the movie aboard the Enterprise.
100% true that the script and rough cut had all the Grissom/David/Saavik scenes much earlier. So the first time we see Kirk he is already aware that the tube is "intact" on Genesis' surface.
The makers then realized that a first act that was more than half carried by Butrick and Curtis wasn't gonna fly.
All the Grissom/David/Saavik scenes were shortened a lot and in some cases separate scenes were combined because they were so short after being edited. Then they were moved into act 2 of the rather short movie.
Read the script in original order at Trekcore.
http://movies.trekcore.com/searchforspock/script.txt
The makers then realized that a first act that was more than half carried by Butrick and Curtis wasn't gonna fly.
All the Grissom/David/Saavik scenes were shortened a lot and in some cases separate scenes were combined because they were so short after being edited. Then they were moved into act 2 of the rather short movie.
Read the script in original order at Trekcore.
http://movies.trekcore.com/searchforspock/script.txt
It doesn't make sense to get Spock's body unless Sarek knew somehow (through a parental bond?) that Spock was alive in some form. Kirk should have just taken a trip to Vulcan with McCoy in tow not alerting the authorities to anything. Not that they were doing anything wrong anyway. In fact Sarek should have taken McCoy with him when he left for Vulcan.
I think the movie should have explicitly stated either there was a need tor the corpse to attend (ridiculous) or that Sarek sensed something was wrong with Spock's body or that Genesis was on the way to Vulcan and Kirk 's gut was telling him to check on David. Otherwise Kirk's trip to Genesis was unnecessary.
Pretty much the whole movie makes no sense. It's just a filler movie to reset the table back to before Spock died. Jettison Carol, kill David, turn Saavik into an automaton, revive Spock. Then part 4 can show Spock being close to his former self and they get a new ship. And we're ready for Star trek 5!!! 
That's what all the Vulcan ladies said! Amiright?
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