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Spoilers Spyfall, Part Two grade and discussion thread

How do you rate Spyfall, Part Two?


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Turns out we almost saw Noor Inayat Khan's death because Aurora Marion shot the scene, but it was ultimately cut.

Considering the nature of the episode, I think it was a wise decision to cut it. I don't think there's really a good place where it would've fit without feeling forced and unnecessary. Leave the rest of her story to the history books for viewers to read up on after watching the episode (like I did).
 
I'm wondering if in the future The Master will twist the knife by claiming it was easier for him to destroy The Citadel thanks to The Doctor banishing the High Council and Rassilon.
 
Turns out we almost saw Noor Inayat Khan's death because Aurora Marion shot the scene, but it was ultimately cut.

Considering the nature of the episode, I think it was a wise decision to cut it. I don't think there's really a good place where it would've fit without feeling forced and unnecessary. Leave the rest of her story to the history books for viewers to read up on after watching the episode (like I did).

Would have felt really off, and would have harkened back to last season's somewhat impotent Doctor. Whatever you think of her actions, at least 13 is bloody taking action now!
 
Would have felt really off, and would have harkened back to last season's somewhat impotent Doctor. Whatever you think of her actions, at least 13 is bloody taking action now!

Yes..the villains were banged up...Er...except they weren’t. And the aliens...um...defeated themselves without being tricked into it? Why did they ferry the doctor through time again? Why were they ‘guarding’ Ada? What was the statue thing actually for? They were studying humans who made computers because...because...I dunno. Geeks from another dimension? The lols? They were invading because...because...I dunno. The lols. The doctor of course investigated all of this really throughly, finding time to check if anyone was left on Gallifrey, or there was some kind of record of course...oh hang on, nope, she’s found a WhatsApp message from Evil Dr.Ranj, and that was that.
It was directionless.
 
Turns out we almost saw Noor Inayat Khan's death because Aurora Marion shot the scene, but it was ultimately cut.

Considering the nature of the episode, I think it was a wise decision to cut it. I don't think there's really a good place where it would've fit without feeling forced and unnecessary. Leave the rest of her story to the history books for viewers to read up on after watching the episode (like I did).

I'd be wondering if it was filmed for a different episode, with the Master, or whoever, needling the Doctor with it, perhaps in the finale. In which case it'll be interesting to see if there's a set of similar moments from through the season that appears later, Or whether they just realised there wasn't room for it in this one, or had decided she might be worth doing another episode about later - or at least keeping the option open.
 
I'd be wondering if it was filmed for a different episode, with the Master, or whoever, needling the Doctor with it, perhaps in the finale. In which case it'll be interesting to see if there's a set of similar moments from through the season that appears later, Or whether they just realised there wasn't room for it in this one, or had decided she might be worth doing another episode about later - or at least keeping the option open.

They can do one where, with a facial expression akin to ‘oh noes I left the oven on’ the Doctor realises she - in an effort to not interfere with history - caused Noor to be captured and executed in the first place, by leaving her unconscious by a visible radio set that had just been used to ‘out’ a spy, in occupied France. Noor was probably even banged up alongside the Master. That would be totally awkward fam.
 
The Master puts a password on his universal translator?

You know he can Curse of babel Paris.

UTTER Chaos!!!

More than enough of a diversion to make the most ham fististed escape a total success.
 
The Master puts a password on his universal translator?

You know he can Curse of babel Paris.

UTTER Chaos!!!

More than enough of a diversion to make the most ham fististed escape a total success.

I have been to continental Europe. That won’t work unless you also ties their hands behind their backs and also, possibly, in the case of the French, shave their eyebrows and add sunglasses to prevent disdainful looks.
 
They can do one where, with a facial expression akin to ‘oh noes I left the oven on’ the Doctor realises she - in an effort to not interfere with history - caused Noor to be captured and executed in the first place, by leaving her unconscious by a visible radio set that had just been used to ‘out’ a spy, in occupied France. .

I'm pretty sure that the BBC is not going to allow a episode of Doctor Who where it is suggested that the Doctor's own action leads to someone being sent to Dachau.
 
One tiny thing I noticed:

See the Master's holo-message to the Doctor at the end of this ep - for some reason, he is wearing Second Doctor-esque checked pants, which we never saw him in previously.

Now back in part 1, when we first meet Daniel Barton, he has his PR exec with him, a short nebbishy guy who is also wearing checked pants and a bow tie in a very Second Doctor-ish style. Was that PR guy actually the Master, working closely with and keeping an eye on Barton all the time? Obviously he didn't look like the Master we later see...

...but then this episode establishes that the Master was using a perception filter so that he didn't look like a dark-skinned man to his fellow Nazis. He would have had to look white. So is the nebbishy PR guy actually what the Nazis saw? And also what Yaz and Ryan saw in part 1, because they're only humans and wouldn't see through the Master's perception filter like the Doctor did?

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There are photos leaked online; in the hologram the outfit looks vaguely Troughtonesque (hopefully not deliberately but it's at least a nice contrast to Matt Smith co-opting so many of Troughton's lines and mimicking them poorly) but the leaked photos, which don't look fake, use a purple and dark blue color scheme. It's like the Joker had a second outfit that the Master stole and it's so bad that as a result everyone's long since forgiven Pat Godfrey's design of the 6th Doctor's coat, which was far more original too...

In fact, here's an official article showing the outfit. Get your puke bag on before clicking it:

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30429599/doctor-who-master-sacha-dhawan-costume-inspiration/

Pic link within might be bad, but it's a good read. So try this one too:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/0...aster-sacha-dhawan-the-timeless-child-spyfall

Thankfully, Troughton was not an inspiration - consciously or otherwise.

TBH, it doesn't look bad but the purple just makes me think "The Joker from Batman called."

Still, the chequered trousers with matching pattern for the oversized waistcoat... again, the 6th Doctor coat didn't clash nearly as badly.

If anything, the muted hues do emit gloom and doom. Bright bold colors usually inspire happiness, like how superheroes used to be before someone on antidepressants reimagined the genre as being dank and dreary. Drab hues usually make one feel disconcerted. Unless one is gawking at a forest fire like the ones in Ausatralia set off by arsonists, that bright orange glow is anything but happy. :mad:
 
There are photos leaked online; in the hologram the outfit looks vaguely Troughtonesque (hopefully not deliberately but it's at least a nice contrast to Matt Smith co-opting so many of Troughton's lines and mimicking them poorly) but the leaked photos, which don't look fake, use a purple and dark blue color scheme. It's like the Joker had a second outfit that the Master stole and it's so bad that as a result everyone's long since forgiven Pat Godfrey's design of the 6th Doctor's coat, which was far more original too...

In fact, here's an official article showing the outfit. Get your puke bag on before clicking it:

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30429599/doctor-who-master-sacha-dhawan-costume-inspiration/

Pic link within might be bad, but it's a good read. So try this one too:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2020/0...aster-sacha-dhawan-the-timeless-child-spyfall

Thankfully, Troughton was not an inspiration - consciously or otherwise.

TBH, it doesn't look bad but the purple just makes me think "The Joker from Batman called."

Still, the chequered trousers with matching pattern for the oversized waistcoat... again, the 6th Doctor coat didn't clash nearly as badly.

If anything, the muted hues do emit gloom and doom. Bright bold colors usually inspire happiness, like how superheroes used to be before someone on antidepressants reimagined the genre as being dank and dreary. Drab hues usually make one feel disconcerted. Unless one is gawking at a forest fire like the ones in Ausatralia set off by arsonists, that bright orange glow is anything but happy. :mad:

I do t remember any specific lines making their way to Smith from Troughton.
I do remember his awful purple Christmas Scrooge outfit. Which the Master clearly got the wrong measurements for.

The costume design is abysmal these last two years.
 
I do t remember any specific lines making their way to Smith from Troughton.
I do remember his awful purple Christmas Scrooge outfit. Which the Master clearly got the wrong measurements for.

The costume design is abysmal these last two years.

"You've redecorated (haven't you?) I don't like it." Second Doctor in The Five Doctors, Eleventh Doctor a couple of times.

It's why I think of Moffat as the Adherent of the Repeated Meme. He keeps taking iconic lines and devaluing them via the current Doctor.

(It's happened before in previous Producers' regimes, but not really on the same scale)
 
"You've redecorated (haven't you?) I don't like it." Second Doctor in The Five Doctors, Eleventh Doctor a couple of times.

It's why I think of Moffat as the Adherent of the Repeated Meme. He keeps taking iconic lines and devaluing them via the current Doctor.

(It's happened before in previous Producers' regimes, but not really on the same scale)
Although I agree with your point, I did like the humorous irony it created when Moffat had David Bradley introduce himself as "the Doctor, the original" like Richard Hurndall in The Five Doctors. Here we have a line now associated with the First Doctor which was never actually spoken by Hartnell, but rather by two guys impersonating him.
 
"You've redecorated (haven't you?) I don't like it." Second Doctor in The Five Doctors, Eleventh Doctor a couple of times.

It's why I think of Moffat as the Adherent of the Repeated Meme. He keeps taking iconic lines and devaluing them via the current Doctor.

(It's happened before in previous Producers' regimes, but not really on the same scale)

Tbh, one line here and there is an Easter egg, but in this case it’s just as likely a Matt ad-Lib...he became aTroughton fan in his research.
 
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