This looks like the 23rd century equivalent of a local bus that's been in service for decades. Good.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "shuttle/bus" was a transport for Enterprise workers.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the "shuttle/bus" was a transport for Enterprise workers.
*shrug* Sure they can, but what are we discussing here? How the owners of this property can do whatever they please to pile up cash by creating a flick compatible with the masses of contemporary movie goers. Or a design aesthetic fitting the future and vision presented so far in that show, or any allegedly "Utopian" setting?
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
"Protocals"? My compliments to the illiterati infesting the ST:XI art department.
TGT
Being able to look at an object, see that its put together withe screws and bolts rather then magically a single unit does speak to function, purpose over design - all those photos tell me that Star Trek (err StarFleet) first is thinking about an objects function before making a cool design that jives with some abstract Utopian ideal.
I can even look at my home computer and say, "ok that's how it functions" there are blinking lights a plenty but also buttons.
Those chairs sure looked ergonomic, and functional more so then the center seat in TOS.
Sharr
I can even look at my home computer and say, "ok that's how it functions" there are blinking lights a plenty but also buttons.
Those chairs sure looked ergonomic, and functional more so then the center seat in TOS.
Sharr
Well, I really couldn't care less about the control panel. The shuttle design is very cool though; a nice mix of '60's trek and more contemporary looks.
Yes, this seems to be a sign of bad things to come. This seems to be a problem with people wanting to remake or revision, reboot and any other stupid term you want to use to change a series or Movie.
From what I see, its has a feel of a StarShip trooper or Aliens,BSG. I think its silly to think that "JJ" has total control over a project like this. You have 150 Million on this movie. With a budget that high, you know that a few "studio people" will have notes for the movie. These studio people, have the money, but no clue of Trek. They see how popular a show BSG is and everything has to be done in that sytle. Because that is whats hot right now.
Why not make a $50 million dollar versions of a TOS series. Keep everyhthing the same. You know that it will make the money back in the theaters and DVD sales.
Anyway...I need a drink. :/
From what I see, its has a feel of a StarShip trooper or Aliens,BSG. I think its silly to think that "JJ" has total control over a project like this. You have 150 Million on this movie. With a budget that high, you know that a few "studio people" will have notes for the movie. These studio people, have the money, but no clue of Trek. They see how popular a show BSG is and everything has to be done in that sytle. Because that is whats hot right now.
Why not make a $50 million dollar versions of a TOS series. Keep everyhthing the same. You know that it will make the money back in the theaters and DVD sales.
Anyway...I need a drink. :/
Technology that looks like how it is working is technology aimed at developers and engineers, not end users. Doesn't mean things should become hard to use for design purposes - the opposite is true. And in the end, an organic, non-technical design also conveys a humanistic message - this is something people intuitively use, and like to use. That is the true revolution happening now, and further advancing in the future. I suspect technology will completely disappear behind walls, clothes and very simple-looking devices in the very near future - of course, that doesn't make for a cool scifi flick attracting the not-so-spaced-out masses, so there we go again
GodThingFormerly
A Different Kind of Asshole
While it is true that "Battlestar Galactica" is both the best show on television and my favorite television show, even I would be hard-pressed to claim how wildly popular and "hot" it is right now.
But I like your style!
While it is true that "Battlestar Galactica" is both the best show on television and my favorite television show, even I would be hard-pressed to claim how wildly popular and "hot" it is right now.
But I like your style!
Well I think when it comes to scifi - I see BSG in the area of 24, lost..etc. I know people are talking about it. I know people who are not scifi fans, and they are asking me if I saw the last BSG Ep. Its not a big shock to see people wanting to copy the style of BSG. A big Fad was prequels, or Comic movies...etc Now the fad are "reboots" (God I HATE THAT TERM!!!)
I think that its was a bad movie to try to redo the look. Real Trek fan (and I am one of them) and not the part time trek fans. Will be spending time looking and compairing. I think that will take away from the movie.
Movies and tv shows tend to resemble the times in which they are produced... I think Nick Mayer made this point in his commentary for Trek II.
None of us should be shocked that a Trek production of our current time period reflects design ethics that fit this desire for "rugged" over clean since producers of such things aren't setting out to make projection (even if after the fact they claim this... that's not what they're paid for), they are setting out to make a movie.
Look at any production and you can see its eras design thinking at work.
LOL That's a new one, and I find it kinda... sad. There is no such thing as a "real" or "full time Star Trek fan". Who exactly makes that determination? Do you need to fill out a form and be vetted?
Sharr
None of us should be shocked that a Trek production of our current time period reflects design ethics that fit this desire for "rugged" over clean since producers of such things aren't setting out to make projection (even if after the fact they claim this... that's not what they're paid for), they are setting out to make a movie.
Look at any production and you can see its eras design thinking at work.
LOL That's a new one, and I find it kinda... sad. There is no such thing as a "real" or "full time Star Trek fan". Who exactly makes that determination? Do you need to fill out a form and be vetted?
Sharr
Yes production will depend on the era, but on other scifi shows and movies.
A Trek movie or show has its own style.
I am very into the production art and the style of trek. I love it as a show or movie. But I spend alot of time looking into the production of the shows and movies. No matter what people say about "Enterpise" as a series. The look of the show was very well done. It was able to update the style and still keep it looking like a trek series.
I'm all in favor of the "used" look. You can try to characterize the look of Treks past as "utopian" or "futuristic" or whatever, but to me they mostly just looked like exactly what they were, studio sets designed by people who were more concerned with how they looked on camera than what they would look like in any sort of reality.
And for everyone who thinks everything should be sleek and stylish and high-tech and self-repairing and self-polishing and whatever else, go ask anybody who has served in the military if any of those things are more important than durability, reliability and functionality. Shoot, forget the military, take a look at that gadget the UPS guy uses to log his packages and deliveries some time and try to tell me it would look stylish on a utility belt or ever be confused with an iPhone. Look at the boom boxes construction workers use on job sites with their blocky cast aluminum housings and frickin' roll bars.
Look at the interior of a modern day school bus or a mail delivery truck. Where are all the organic contours, art deco indiglo instrument panels, body contouring and self-adjusting seats, individualized environmental controls and all the other gadgets and goodies? We can make all of those things today and routinely use them in high-end luxury cars and even some lower priced models, so why not school buses and mail trucks? Because they don't frickin' need 'em. Because they don't stand up to the wear and tear and are complicated and expensive to fix when they break.
Why anyone would expect Starfleet shuttlecraft to look like BMWs just because they can is beyond me.
And for everyone who thinks everything should be sleek and stylish and high-tech and self-repairing and self-polishing and whatever else, go ask anybody who has served in the military if any of those things are more important than durability, reliability and functionality. Shoot, forget the military, take a look at that gadget the UPS guy uses to log his packages and deliveries some time and try to tell me it would look stylish on a utility belt or ever be confused with an iPhone. Look at the boom boxes construction workers use on job sites with their blocky cast aluminum housings and frickin' roll bars.
Look at the interior of a modern day school bus or a mail delivery truck. Where are all the organic contours, art deco indiglo instrument panels, body contouring and self-adjusting seats, individualized environmental controls and all the other gadgets and goodies? We can make all of those things today and routinely use them in high-end luxury cars and even some lower priced models, so why not school buses and mail trucks? Because they don't frickin' need 'em. Because they don't stand up to the wear and tear and are complicated and expensive to fix when they break.
Why anyone would expect Starfleet shuttlecraft to look like BMWs just because they can is beyond me.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
I agree it could be, I like it though and the Jacket is Identical to the one from the cageThis looks like the 23rd century equivalent of a local bus that's been in service for decades. Good.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "shuttle/bus" was a transport for Enterprise workers.
Yeah, the world's going to end.
Of course.
What studio people in specific? Names?
Oh puhleeze.
And play it safe?
I like it a lot. While it does look pretty battered and used, it also looks *much* more like a TOS shuttlecraft than I would ever have expected. It's got the same angular profile, the same rectangular view ports in the front, the same shape doorway with retractable stairs. The only real differences are in the paint job and in the nacelles. And the size, of course.
This absolutely looks like it fits with TOS design, even while the details (mainly the grit) are a departure.
I'm liking it so far.
One thing that I'm starting to wonder about, though: are those red/blue/gray uniforms the actual duty uniforms? I'd been assuming they were academy uniforms, but it's interesting that *all* of the leaked pictures that have shown uniforms (at least the ones where we could see much of them) were the same set of designs: the unicolor two-piece ones in red, gray, or some other dark color.
Have they just been doing a heck of a lot of Academy shooting lately, or are these the real thing?
One other observation: if the red ones are Academy uniforms, maybe this beat-up old shuttle (or TOS-era runabout, or whatever) is the thing that the Academy students were surprised to see up in the sky during the campus shoot the other day.
This absolutely looks like it fits with TOS design, even while the details (mainly the grit) are a departure.
I'm liking it so far.
One thing that I'm starting to wonder about, though: are those red/blue/gray uniforms the actual duty uniforms? I'd been assuming they were academy uniforms, but it's interesting that *all* of the leaked pictures that have shown uniforms (at least the ones where we could see much of them) were the same set of designs: the unicolor two-piece ones in red, gray, or some other dark color.
Have they just been doing a heck of a lot of Academy shooting lately, or are these the real thing?
One other observation: if the red ones are Academy uniforms, maybe this beat-up old shuttle (or TOS-era runabout, or whatever) is the thing that the Academy students were surprised to see up in the sky during the campus shoot the other day.
Scuffed up technology, buttons and knobs instead of Okudagrams, a gritty dusty style.
The more I hear and see about this movie, the more I think they are doing exactly what needs to be done with this franchise.
The more I hear and see about this movie, the more I think they are doing exactly what needs to be done with this franchise.
