Spot's fate

[Christopher]

I was under the impression that B-4 would just become Data after he's absorbed all of his memories.

I find it very weird that people have that impression, because Nemesis made a very clear point of establishing that B-4 couldn't do that. Data tried to give B-4 his memories to increase his potential, but the effort failed because B-4's brain was just too primitive and incapable of any real growth. It'd be like trying to run a modern open-world MMORPG on an '80s game console -- the processing power and memory just aren't there. Data even said outright that B-4 was incapable of growth, that he would never become more than he was -- as a deliberate thematic parallel with Shinzon, another mirror-image character who was doomed by his inability to grow and change. The final scene with B-4 singing Data's song wasn't meant to say that B-4 would become Data (although of course it could've been retconned that way if there'd been another sequel); it was just a final hopeful note to end the movie, to suggest that at least some echo of Data survived, however faintly.

 

[Dayton Ward]

I never liked the notion of Data's "memories" or programming taking over B-4. There's something very not-Star Trek about that idea, with one being supplanting another. I would've liked to see B-4 benefit from that transfer, of course, but as a means of furthering that character, rather than just giving us "Data 2.0."

(Along similar lines, I'm one of likely very few folks that wished Tuvix had been allowed to survive, rather than being split back into Tuvok and Neelix. That would've been a ballsy move on the part of Voyager writers and producers, IMHO. )

 

[JD]

I was under the impression that B-4 would just become Data after he's absorbed all of his memories. At that point he would just feel like Spot belongs to him.

Uhhhhh, I take it you haven't read the Cold Equations trilogy?

 

[Lonemagpie]

Data's a logical being - he'd know and understand he's not the same Data, and that wouldn't hold for him. Also, Spot's a cat, and would have decided for herself who she was settled with.

 

[TheUsualSuspect]

(Along similar lines, I'm one of likely very few folks that wished Tuvix had been allowed to survive, rather than being split back into Tuvok and Neelix. That would've been a ballsy move on the part of Voyager writers and producers, IMHO. )

I would have liked to see them do this also. By season 2, I was already thinking of Voyager as an inferior retread of TNG and would have loved to have seen them do something to break the mold. I'm so glad it looks like Discovery is going to be something different!

 

[DonIago]

^I'll take this a bit further and say in an ideal world (and given what we've seen transporters do, why not?) I would have liked to see them not only keep Tuvix alive but also restore Neelix and Tuvok. Killing the other two would have been delightfully ballsy though.

 

[marsh8472]

Uhhhhh, I take it you haven't read the Cold Equations trilogy?

no, never heard of that. I don't need to read it either. It's not canon

 

[DimesDan]

no, never heard of that. I don't need to read it either. It's not canon

What a wonderful attitude.

 

[Christopher]

no, never heard of that. I don't need to read it either. It's not canon

You don't "need" to read anything. You're not studying for a history exam. It's recreation. It's about being entertained. Non-canon stories are extra bits of entertainment. They're more opportunities to spend time with characters and worlds you enjoy. They're not "needed," but they're fun.

 

[Jinn]

no, never heard of that. I don't need to read it either. It's not canon

No offense, but with that attitude, what are you doing in the TrekLit forum? We are the most uncanonic forum of them all. Well, maybe Fan Fiction is on the same level... I suppose we can share that achievement.

 

[Reanok]

There's an old TNG book that features Dixon Hill and Data's Cat Spot is in the book .There's a mystery in the book and Spot holds an important clue as how to solve the mystery. It's called A Hard Rain I can't remember the writer of this book right now.

 

[DimesDan]

There's an old TNG book that features Dixon Hill and Data's Cat Spot is in the book .There's a mystery in the book and Spot holds an important clue as how to solve the mystery. It's called A Hard Rain I can't remember the writer of this book right now.

A simple Google search (well, highlight the title right clicking on it and then selecting "search google" and then adding Star Trek in the search terms) of Star Trek A Hard Rain came back with Dean Wesley Smith.

 

[marsh8472]

No offense, but with that attitude, what are you doing in the TrekLit forum? We are the most uncanonic forum of them all. Well, maybe Fan Fiction is on the same level... I suppose we can share that achievement.

haha you're right, I concede that now. I was looking in the "new posts" area and saw this thread when I posted on it. Had I known it was in the star trek literature, I wouldn't have. I just wasn't paying close enough attention. It's a good question to ask of the official trek world though.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Along similar lines, I'm one of likely very few folks that wished Tuvix had been allowed to survive, rather than being split back into Tuvok and Neelix.

I may be mistaken, but I thought this was actually more the prevailing opinion?

highlight the title right clicking on it and then selecting "search google"

OT, but... I never realized that feature existed.

 

[JD]

haha you're right, I concede that now. I was looking in the "new posts" area and saw this thread when I posted on it. Had I known it was in the star trek literature, I wouldn't have. I just wasn't paying close enough attention. It's a good question to ask of the official trek world though.

TrekLit is official.
I've never understood the attitude of people like you. Why should it matter if it's canon as long as it's a good story? Some of the best Trek stories I've ever experienced were in the novels.

A similar question came to me while I was getting ready to come back onto this thread. Whatever happened to the O'Brien's cat Chester? Did they take him to Earth and Cardassia and now to the new DS9?

 

[Lynx]

After the efforts of a Feline rights lawyer from Cait, Spot was granted full Cait citizenship and is part of the relief work on Risa after the Borg invasion, her assistant is named Elvis Presley.

That really made my day!

 

[JD]

I just saw on StarTrek.com that today is Love Your Pet Day, so this is actually a very appropriate thread to have going on right now.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I just saw on StarTrek.com that today is Love Your Pet Day

Does that mean... we don't have to love our pets the other 364 days? Dammit, I've been doin' it wrong!

 

[Therin of Andor]

I had a letter printed in the lettercol of DC Comics' TNG comic, after the Enterprise-D was wrecked in "Generations", suggesting that if Spot survived by eating Livingston (Picard's lion fish, whose tank was smashed in the crash), he would end up poisoned. Lion fish are deadly!

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I guess that Data got Spot back again after the Cold Equations Trilogy if the cat was still alive (It's the 24th Century!) or got himself a new Spot!