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Spocks Reunification Movement

PhoenixIreland

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The idea of this movement always annoyed me, because it never made an ounce of sense.

Was Vulcan going to join the Romulan Empire? or the Romulan Empire join the federation? or both form a third new entity? or what?
 
He was trying to get the Romulans to "reunite" with the Vulcans. (As Romulans are really a Vulcan sect that seperated eons ago.)

I suspect that had/when it works the Romulans would be part of the Federation.
 
He was trying to get the Romulans to "reunite" with the Vulcans. (As Romulans are really a Vulcan sect that seperated eons ago.)

I suspect that had/when it works the Romulans would be part of the Federation.

If thats what he was talking about he really was pissing against the wind!
 
I suspect that had/when it works the Romulans would be part of the Federation.

No doubt Sarek was attempting the same objective in the lead up to ST VI. Romulan Ambassador Nanclus is wearing a yellow sash, just like all the Vulcans, at the Khitomer conference.
 
Or, alternately, the delegation is all-Romulan, save for Sarek (and perhaps a select few other Vulcans).

Why else set this group apart from the blue-sashed Federation members, a group that already included both Starfleet humans and civilian-clad nonhumans? Taking the yellow-sashers as Romulans would also help explain why some of them smile broadly at the conclusion of the altercation, during the appalause. IIRC, the yellow flags behind this group include the Bird of Prey in addition to the IDIC triangle...

One might argue that the Romulans were the "neutral" third party that made possible the Khitomer conference, and that Sarek joined this group because he already ran something of a sideshow of reunification there. Perhaps he quickly grew disappointed and thus came to oppose this idea when his son became interested in it.

(The interpretation would depend on how we interpret the fourth group present - the green-sashed, human-looking people with an aurora symbol. Native Khitomerites? But Klingons probably wouldn't accept the planet as neutral, then. Observers from the future equivalent of International Red Cross? Again, a bit human-biased if so.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
yes, thats what he was trying for and yes, obviously its not an easy thing
to accomplish.

Thats like in the 1980s trying to convince the US and Europe to voluntarily join the Soviet Union because were all human.
Or like trying to get the German or Italian states to unify into a solitary nation. Or forming some sort of union of currencies and laws and customs barriers among the former provinces of Charlemagne's empire. These are clearly far-fetched absurd ideas that could never lead to anything good.
 
Was it ever explained if Spock really worked toward a political unification of Romulus and Vulcan? Or if it was just the attempt to get the Romulans to re-embrace their Vulcan roots and perhaps even some of them study Surak's teachings of logic.
 
yes, thats what he was trying for and yes, obviously its not an easy thing
to accomplish.

Thats like in the 1980s trying to convince the US and Europe to voluntarily join the Soviet Union because were all human.
Or like trying to get the German or Italian states to unify into a solitary nation. Or forming some sort of union of currencies and laws and customs barriers among the former provinces of Charlemagne's empire. These are clearly far-fetched absurd ideas that could never lead to anything good.

The European Union is not a country.
There is a reason I chose the Soviet Union analogy, the two are CURRENT bitter enemies, who have deeply ingrained prejudice about each other.

Reunification would be next to imposable.
They would have better spent their time, ...logically you might say...workng towards peace between the Romulan Empire and UFP, because such a peace would be a minimum requirement for the Romulans to even dream down the pipline of ben in the federation.



Was it ever explained if Spock really worked toward a political unification of Romulus and Vulcan? Or if it was just the attempt to get the Romulans to re-embrace their Vulcan roots and perhaps even some of them study Surak's teachings of logic.
Now that would make alot more sense, and is actually likley to get some sort of success.
 
Was it ever explained if Spock really worked toward a political unification of Romulus and Vulcan? Or if it was just the attempt to get the Romulans to re-embrace their Vulcan roots and perhaps even some of them study Surak's teachings of logic.

The word "reunification" was tossed around a lot in the episodes.

Which would suggest re-unifying the two people.
 
People,

I have to say it wasn't really made clear what shape reunifcation would take. Was it merely political reconciliation, or were the Romulan reunificationists looking to completely embrace logic and become Vulcan? It's not entirely clear.

We are clear it seems that the majority of Romulans probably wouldn't support reunification. But would the Vulcans, despite their belief in IDIC?

In my opinion, a kind of political reunification could take place easier than a social reunification. Perhaps the Romulan reunificationists wanted Vulcans to embrace some of their ideas and rediscover their emotions, too.

Red Ranger
 
Vulcan logic applied to Romulan Imperialist mindset could lead to a even more aggressive enemy. After all, in their Romulan mind, they are superior to both the Klingons and the Federation, with superior firepower, so logically they should be the ones in charge of the Alpha and Beta Quads.
 
Vulcan logic applied to Romulan Imperialist mindset could lead to a even more aggressive enemy. After all, in their Romulan mind, they are superior to both the Klingons and the Federation, with superior firepower, so logically they should be the ones in charge of the Alpha and Beta Quads.

That is a scary thought. Spock may be too much of an idealist. After all, I think one of the reasons Vulcans control their emotions is because their feelings are even deeper and more chaotic than humans. Imagine Romulans armed with Vulcan mental powers. Whoa! -- RR
 
One would assume the writers had the Korean reunification foremost in mind when writing "Unification". After all, 'em pointy ears have always been something of an Asiatic analogy, despite being superficially ancient Roman - mysterious, disciplined, with strange arts and passions and a chillingly fascinating custom of suicide when cornered, as opposed to the simple Russkie-analogy brutes of the Klingons. And the terminology and methodology of the Vulcan-Romulan separation, including the Neutral Zone, extreme isolationism, and insincere gestures of goodwill, is similar to that of the Korean split.

The analogy has never been exact, of course. Korea was divided in the aftermath of a war with an external enemy, and was kept divided because it served the interests of greater powers using the halves as pawns. And North Korea, while no doubt intent on aggressive reunification on its own terms, has never been a superpower in the sense later Trek seems to suggest the Romulan Star Empire is.

Then again, Romulans were depicted more as bit players (albeit very aggressive ones) in TOS, forgotten for a century and then only noticed because they were absurdly territorial about their prison-like nation. It could well be that this is their true role in the TNG era as well, and that their military significance is similar to that of North Korea: a source of superpower-level technology on weapons of mass destruction (in this case very impressive starships) disproportionate to the size of the nation.

Also, cultural and political issues separating the two halves of Vulcanoids might be skin deep, and commonalities might be legion, as with the Koreas. If a reunification were achieved, it's far from said that the Vulcans would stay loyal to the Federation, as membership in that organization could have been but a vehicle for them to deal with the Romulan problem.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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