Spock's full name

[Timo]

given the importance placed on family lineage in their culture

Just out of curiosity, what importance?

In the two Vulcan families we followed up close, Spock's and T'Pol's, estrangement was the word of the day. Tuvok's family tried to remain close-knit across the galaxy, but there was never any stuff on grandparents or ancestors, nor mention of family traditions.

Spock's folks had ancestral ceremonial grounds, but how is that a "lineage" thing? Apparently they cross-married on those grounds regardless of lineages, sometimes even with alien animal women from outer space.

Put short, I don't get an impression of "ancestor worship" or even "lineage respect" in the canonical or even the common novelized appearances of Vulcans. These logical and superstition-free folks tend to be self-made men and women to a large degree, and they actually view tradition with embarrassment and disdain... And I don't think any one of them has ever spoken highly of a preceding generation. Surak worship is something universal to the modern Vulcan, not something specific to Spock's bloodline.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Deranged Nasat]

given the importance placed on family lineage in their culture

Just out of curiosity, what importance?

In the two Vulcan families we followed up close, Spock's and T'Pol's, estrangement was the word of the day. Tuvok's family tried to remain close-knit across the galaxy, but there was never any stuff on grandparents or ancestors, nor mention of family traditions.

Spock's folks had ancestral ceremonial grounds, but how is that a "lineage" thing? Apparently they cross-married on those grounds regardless of lineages, sometimes even with alien animal women from outer space.

Put short, I don't get an impression of "ancestor worship" or even "lineage respect" in the canonical or even the common novelized appearances of Vulcans. These logical and superstition-free folks tend to be self-made men and women to a large degree, and they actually view tradition with embarrassment and disdain... And I don't think any one of them has ever spoken highly of a preceding generation. Surak worship is something universal to the modern Vulcan, not something specific to Spock's bloodline.

Timo Saloniemi

Are we talking about the same Vulcans? Seriously, Vulcans place great importance on their long-standing traditions and their ancestors. This has been evident both on TV and in the modern novel continuity for some time. Superstition and tradition, by the way, are not the same thing. Katra belief is not superstition as katras are real, and consulting the katras of the dead, even carrying them around within one, is seemingly reasonably common. 22nd century High Command may have been opposed to it, but they were a rather intolerant regime.

Anyway, remember that Vulcans who spend their lives among humans and other species are somewhat unusual anyway. Vulcans, their position as a lead member of the Federation notwithstanding, have always been somewhat insular as a people, when it comes to their private cultural traditions. Even T'pau, in "Amok Time" behaved that way, and she has very good relations with humans and other outworlders, as seen in "Enterprise".

As for Spock, remember one of the major reasons for the estrangement from Sarek was his decision to join the Starfleet rather than follow tradition and enrol at the prestigious Vulcan Science Academy. And while Sarek may have married a human, he certainly seemed to expect their son to be Vulcan, not human, in behaviour, didn't he?

Yes, Surak is held in the highest of regard by all Vulcans. My point was not to suggest otherwise, but to say that, since the novels say Spock's family is an offshoot of his clan, maybe only members of this extended family make a point of taking names similiar to his. Perhaps that is their privilige.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

His full name is Arthur Conan Doyle Spock.

Duh.

I thought it was Sherlock Holmes Spock.

Pah! Everybody knows Sherlock Holmes is a fictional creation, not a real person. Spock on the other hand...

Silly, Trekkie, delusions are for the criminally insane... like me.

 

[xman]

Ok, for one thing, that's only in the Abramsverse, not the Prime universe. And the whole 10,000 Vulcan's let thing was cleared up in an interview with Orci/Kurtzman, where they said that that number didn't include Vulcans who were off world at the time.

I'm pretty sure xman was joking.

I thought this little guy > < would make that obvious.

 

[JD]

Sorry, I was just afraid that we were gonna end up in that whole debate again.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

I thought it was Sherlock Holmes Spock.

Pah! Everybody knows Sherlock Holmes is a fictional creation, not a real person. Spock on the other hand...

Silly, Trekkie, delusions are for the criminally insane... like me.

Hey, he was real. He wrote books about babies . Anyway, what's the word that comes before "Nasat" in my name?

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Pah! Everybody knows Sherlock Holmes is a fictional creation, not a real person. Spock on the other hand...

Silly, Trekkie, delusions are for the criminally insane... like me.

Hey, he was real. He wrote books about babies . Anyway, what's the word that comes before "Nasat" in my name?

That's it! Amanda named Spock after that baby fellow in the 20th Century, who was an ancestor of hers as well as Arthur Conan Doyle. Genius!

Deranged? But aren't we all?

 

[Nerys Myk]

it's from a novel. it's also wrong. everyone knows Spock's first name is Carl.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111


WOO HOO Gigalo Carl Spock Esq.


"Puff and pass Baby.. Puff and PAAASSS." - Gigalo Carl Spock, Esq.

And here I was thinking his Mom named him after Sagan...

Sagan? Is that a Vulcan name?

 

[Myasishchev]

^Sagak.

 

[Nerys Myk]

 

[@1ex@ndr@]

Certainly the evidence leaves open a wide range of possibilities.

I like the idea of Vulcans making do with just a single name, even if this creates some practical problems for populations larger than a hundred... There's a nice bit on it in Dillard's The Lost Years, where the long-out-of-the-loop ancient Vulcan mage is amused by the fact that Surakians still haven't run out of names in the S***k format.

OTOH, I like Duane's take on Romulan names, and I'd like to think it extends back to Vulcan names as well. That is, there are multiple names, but they are steeply hierarchial, far more so than our practice of given names and surnames. "Spock" would be the one to be used in public. "S'chn T'gai" could be reserved for clan/family ceremonies. And there could be Duanesque secret names, with strong magical connotations on how knowing the name gives one power over the person; the superficially rational Vulcans would be doubly motivated to keep those names from becoming public knowledge.

Timo Saloniemi

So true! If they ever found out his secret name was Jamal, he'd never live it down.

 

[@1ex@ndr@]

Spock's real name is d³Σx² . Oh wait! That's Doctor Who's name. Never mind.

 

[Tommunist]

Spock's name? Memory-Zeta lists it as:

Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern- schplenden- schlitter- crasscrenbon- fried- digger- dingle- dangle- dongle- dungle- burstein- von- knacker- thrasher- apple- banger- horowitz- ticolensic- grander- knotty- spelltinkle- grandlich- grumblemeyer- spelterwasser- kurstlich- himbleeisen- bahnwagen- gutenabend- bitte- ein- nürnburger- bratwustle- gerspurten- mitz- weimache- luber- hundsfut- gumberaber- shönedanker- kalbsfleisch- mittler- aucher von Hautkopft of Vulcan

 

[E-DUB]

I always thought it was Mxyzptlk.

 

[Turtletrekker]

His name is Bond. James Bond.