With an attitude, you will quickly find that people tune you out.
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With an attitude, you will quickly find that people tune you out.
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Spock certainly had his attractions in TOS and the movies:
Chapel (certainly hinted at in both The Naked Time and Amok Time)
Uhura (definitely flirting early on in the series)
Leila Kalomi (This Side of Paradise)
T’Pring (Amok Time)
The Romulan Commander (The Enterprise Incident)
Droxine (The Cloud Minders)
Zarabeth (All Our Yesterdays)
Saavik (Search for Spock)
Him having exactly three relationships in SNW, two of which were previously established or hinted at in TOS, is not an issue.
Chapel (certainly hinted at in both The Naked Time and Amok Time)
Uhura (definitely flirting early on in the series)
Leila Kalomi (This Side of Paradise)
T’Pring (Amok Time)
The Romulan Commander (The Enterprise Incident)
Droxine (The Cloud Minders)
Zarabeth (All Our Yesterdays)
Saavik (Search for Spock)
Him having exactly three relationships in SNW, two of which were previously established or hinted at in TOS, is not an issue.
if we go by snw time line it should be in season 4 so that means they may find a way to end spock and laan to do spock and leia. which I think will just cause more backlash from critics even if we know leia is canon as korby is.When did Spock meet Leia?
Now i think of it, it would have been better if they never did spock and laan. have spock spend a good amount of time to mourn loosing chapel then have him meet leia. that would have been better.
Spock need a big break after chapel I think it would have tied well when he meet leia. which is why the spock/laan stuff was not necessarily but since the show is more of a rom com, the writers could not help themselves.
First, its Leila. Not Leia.
Second, SNW is not a rom com.
Third, why does Spock need a break?
Fourth, I appreciate that they are not hitting us over the head with Spock/Laan. I also like their chemistry. It actually feels more like a relationship between professionals as opposed to romance for romance's sake. I have no issues with this at all.
A young man having relationships? I am shocked, shocked!, I say, by this idea.
he only dated about 2 or 3 of them in his right mind and not in a overlap format.
Uhura is not prime canon. it is only canon in kelvin timeline. I think this may be the longest one he had in the nu-trek series (post 2000s star trek) and no where as toxic as we have seen in SNW.
However and this is a big however, it is not the real Spock we are talking about,. It is Kelvin Spock, which was still undoubtedly much closer to TOS Spock than Peck Spock
I never said they dated. I said there was attraction. As for Uhura, watch TOS. Particularly Charlie X and The Man Trap. There is definitely some flirtation on both sides of the coin.
yes I know of TOS Uhura/Spock flirting and a potential for coupling that never happened.
However, I was using romance as a good example to show TOS and Kelvin Spock have more similarities than SNW Spock and that sort of sucks because SNW Spock is actually meant to be TOS Spock.
I see no issue with SNW and TOS Spock being the same individual. That is the intention and honestly you’ve said nothing to convince me otherwise. People grow into who they become. There is no reason at all that Spock can’t be a young half human/ half Vulcan who has a few relationships and then a few years later is single. That is called growth.
As big of a TOS homer as I am, there is no "real Spock".
Okay, time for us to have a little chat.
First, you don’t get to decide how or why people respond to you. If they break the rules then we’ll deal with it. Otherwise it’s all fair game.
Second, announcing that you’re going to put someone on ignore is not allowed. If you’re going to do it, just do it.
Lastly, you’ve been beating a dead horse in here for days. We all get it. You don’t like SNW. You don’t like Peck as Spock. To keep repeating the same thing over and over can be considered spamming.
I would really suggest you rethink how you’re approaching other people here.
Consider this your final friendly warning.
The least critically acclaimed?
Since when was Quinto the second most, at least since DSC's second season?
Since when was Quinto the second most, at least since DSC's second season?
Since Kelvin Trek finally received the recognition it deserves! Finally!
thanks for the warning. I will not do it again.
though I do not necessarily hate SNW. I just do not like the hypocrisy on the series when it comes to other star treks like kelvin, enterprise, discovery. I think discovery season 1 and 2 is stronger than all of SNW and I now appreciate that they had big time actors on the show to give it weight. (Michael Yeoh, Jason Issacs)
I do not just think SNW is this flawless masterpiece like some are making it out to be and I feel I have done a good job in pin pointing all the flaws of SNW. I hope it is not seen as hate.
I liked Peck as Spock when he appeared on star trek discovery and his complex dynamic with michael was good and was the best part of much of discovery season 2. It was better than any we have seen in SNW with spock/chapel or spock/tpring. Discovery Spock did seem to have a maturity and mystery and even fear of the character that is lost in SNW.
I think I will like to see another thread of how Spock was written in Discvoery and SNW.
Discovery Spock was also very good in putting Michael in her place, which I thought was excellent since the first and most of the second season made michael this flawless goddess that everyone loved and worshiped.
Seeing Spock in discovery season 2 counter a lot of that and rightly call Michael out for some of her bs decision and behavior, I find it more impressive than any of the spock romances in snw. he needed to have done that with chapel a lot too in SNW. Discovery spock would have.
The depth and maturity was there with Discovery Spock, but apparently discovery is the worst thing ever to some and snw is so good? how? hmmmm may be I should think that there may have some low key racism going on with all the hate michael/spock sibling dynamic used to get.
To extend further, I am not even sure I ever saw SNW Spock speak to chapel or tpring with a good authoritative confidence as he did with Michael or even Mama Burnham who was also had the christ like figure going on like Michael did.
When you compare Discovery and SNW, its like Peck is playing two different Spocks or may be it is because discovery had a different tone in general.
If they had written Spock in SNW like they did in Discovery, I think Peck Spock may have edge quinto because while Quinto is the better and more seasoned actor. Peck has the deep voice that was part of the spock package.
So maybe we should add discovery spock as a different Spock.
My ranking again
1. TOS Spock
2. Kelvin Spock/Discovery Spock
3. SNW Spock.
This is a discussion board, not an Amen corner. As long as whoever responds to you is not breaking board rules there is no need to ignore anyone.As for 2025, Peck Spock is the least critical acclaimed of the actors to play Spock. Here is another recent article that seem very reasonable on how to course correct in season 4 and they talk very negatively of the soap opera elements of the show that is hurting the series.
there is a bullet point called -
How STAR TREK: STRANGE NEW WORLDS Can Change Course in Season 4
Many fans believe that Star Trek: Strange New Worlds lost its way in season three. Here's how they can chart a better course in year four.nerdist.com
Tone Down the Soap Opera
Spock by Nimoy as he played him was traditional in character, he would never jump from one relationship to another. We know this for a fact as seen in TOS. Quinto stayed very close to this charcazation. this is also fact because Quinto os only shown with one girl.
TOS had 79 episodes and 6 movies.
Please show me an era of this series and movies that Spock was seen as a constant horny little man that jumps from one girl to another and does not know how to get a life fast when he gets dumps.
what was the distance between Spock meeting Leia (again) and Zarabeth?
Please do not reply me without showing or giving me the evidence as asked, if not I would have to put you on ignore.I am here to discuss star trek stories and charcaztion and hope to talk to fans who would reply me with honesty and in good faith. I am not here to be baited little sutbance.
No Star Trek is. I don't like TNG and many hold it up as flawless, an an ideal to aspire towards. Same with TWOK.
STAR TREK is not a comparison game. Spock actors don't need to be stacked against each other like some poor sprint race. If an actor is deficient it's not because they're not another actor. That's expecting an impossibility.
Similarly, no Star Trek will be like TOS or TNG. It's pointless to compare it. The larger question is where does Star Trek want to take me and am I willing to go along for the ride.
It's got Spock and I'm good with that.
Artistically TNG is the best star trek when TNG was at its best the produced masterpiece episodes that can rival any thing from top HBO shows or even better.
Also something TNG had at its advantage, was that it was for adults. it was a very mature show. whenever you watched TNG it felt like your parents and grand parents were in the room talking about hard issues and making complex decision. I think that helped TNG a lot. TNG is for adults. Nu trek has not really achieved that.
I like both star trek and star wars and when I take the trek is better than star wars side that even the star wars fans have no come back I talk about how star wars feels childish compared to star trek because it is. though this realistic maturity , I will say star trek beyond 2016 was the nu trek that has came close.
I must disclose I am a person of colour and Yes, I will be the first to admit I will never have added michael to the house of sarek story, but this is not the worst thing that has been done to Spock's back story. I mean Michael can not be spock sister? how dare this black woman have so much influence on the house of sarek to the point that sarek seem to favour her more than spock. I got a lot of this vibes in the discovery days.
also star trek fans : the best mental gymnastics to explain how spock has entangled himself with in a mess with other female characters, who will never go near in tos is okay.
At least with michael we can still use the let keep her existence a secret to explain her away on been Spock's beloved sister.
We all are, really.
Oh, hard disagree there. TNG is far from a masterpiece. I'm fine with TNG but I think its rather insulting to put it on the same level as shows like The Sopranos, Oz, Band of Brothers and Succession.
In relation, it's (at least to me) unrealistic to put SOPRANOS with the older-and-slightly-superior OZ.
