Spock Prime captured by Nero a mistake by Spock Prime?

[Franklin]

As I think about it (and think and over-think) I'm not sure how I feel about this, but Spock Prime fell into Nero's hands pretty easily, red matter and all. Maybe he should've set the Jellyfish to self-destruct. Maybe he should have sent it on a collision course with the Narada as Spock did later in the movie. Something to prevent Nero from getting that red matter.

So, should Spock have sacrificed himself and the Jellyfish to keep Nero from getting the red matter in the first place? Was it a mistake for him to give up so easily? Or, was he caught too much by surprise to even think of setting the ship to self-destruct or somehow destroying the red matter? Or, did he not know Nero was mad? On the latter, I think he did. He seemed so subdued when he boarded the Narada. Like he just more or less gave up and put his fate into Nero's hands.

Of course, no more movie if Spock Prime had made that sacrifice. But still -- .

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Maybe he should've set the Jellyfish to self-destruct. Maybe he should have sent it on a collision course with the Narada as Spock did later in the movie. Something to prevent Nero from getting that red matter.

This is an exceptionally good point and a major boo boo on the part of the writers. Unless of course the Jellyfish was suffering power or systems outages due to the blackhole travel, in which case he couldn't arm the self destruct or use propulsion systems.

 

[Flake]

I think Spock hit his head on the corner of a computer console and knocked himself out when he went into the black hole then he awoke to find himself on the Narada

 

[Triton46]

We don't really know what happened here. One minute, Spock and Nero were working together to save Romulus (assume non-red alert status here) in the 24th century.

The next instance, the Narada was lying in wait for 25 years (ignoring the cut scenes) for Spock. They had 25 years to decide how to get ahold of the ship, Spock and the red matter. I'd assume Spock had no idea he was flying into a hostile situation having just left a rescue mission with the same ship.

 

[Falcor5]

We don't really know what happened here. One minute, Spock and Nero were working together to save Romulus (assume non-red alert status here) in the 24th century.

The next instance, the Narada was lying in wait for 25 years (ignoring the cut scenes) for Spock. They had 25 years to decide how to get ahold of the ship, Spock and the red matter. I'd assume Spock had no idea he was flying into a hostile situation having just left a rescue mission with the same ship.

Hmm in the Comic didn't Spock already know that Nero had gone insane and wanted to destroy Vulcan?

 

[MadBaggins]

Remember, he's really really old. He probably forgot what he was doing.

 

[Islander]

Remember, he's really really old. He probably forgot what he was doing.

He wasn't at the helm anymore, he had to change his diapper.

 

[IDIC]

We don't really know what happened here. One minute, Spock and Nero were working together to save Romulus (assume non-red alert status here) in the 24th century.

The next instance, the Narada was lying in wait for 25 years (ignoring the cut scenes) for Spock. They had 25 years to decide how to get ahold of the ship, Spock and the red matter. I'd assume Spock had no idea he was flying into a hostile situation having just left a rescue mission with the same ship.

Hmm in the Comic didn't Spock already know that Nero had gone insane and wanted to destroy Vulcan?

Yes, while on Vulcan Nero made his intention quite clear what would happen if Romulus was destroyed while the Vulcans waited to act. It is sometime after Romulus is destroyed that the Vulcans agree to Spock's plan. Meanwhile, Nero rescues some of the survivors and finds out about the secret Romulan facility where he goes and gets the Narada modified.

So, Spock had to have been fully aware of Nero's intentions when he encountered him after the destruction of Romulus.

It is possible that Spock thought it was more important to figure out what was going on first before just ramming the jellyfish into the narada. He had just passed through a singularity so he probably realized that some temporal displacement had occurred. He had no idea what Nero had done to the timeline.

 

[RoJoHen]

So...Spock comes through the blackhole...then Spock blows up the Narada using the Red Matter, creating another blackhole right next to the original blackhole. The first blackhole gets jealous of the new blackhole and grows until it destroys the universe!

Yeah, great plan.

 

[Neumann]

As I think about it (and think and over-think) I'm not sure how I feel about this, but Spock Prime fell into Nero's hands pretty easily, red matter and all. Maybe he should've set the Jellyfish to self-destruct. Maybe he should have sent it on a collision course with the Narada as Spock did later in the movie. Something to prevent Nero from getting that red matter.

So, should Spock have sacrificed himself and the Jellyfish to keep Nero from getting the red matter in the first place? Was it a mistake for him to give up so easily? Or, was he caught too much by surprise to even think of setting the ship to self-destruct or somehow destroying the red matter? Or, did he not know Nero was mad? On the latter, I think he did. He seemed so subdued when he boarded the Narada. Like he just more or less gave up and put his fate into Nero's hands.

Of course, no more movie if Spock Prime had made that sacrifice. But still -- .

Sorry this is no booboo... Spock Prime just got out and didn't know what to expect, besides we are talking about an old Spock, one who hasn't been doing any "STAR TREK" for at least a hundred years. Young Spock knew who was this bastard (nero) was and sure wanted to hand him some good old shit, so he went on a collision course. It's quite simple actually

 

[pookha]

it might make sense that as a ship comes out of the singularity it is partially disbaled.
it would account for why the kelvin was able to do what it did .

 

[donners22]

Old Spock seems a bit befuddled in general. Risking Earth to get nuKirk and nuSpock to learn that they are a good team, carring far more red matter than would be necessary, miscalculating the supernova, thinking the supernova threatens the galaxy, forgetting the Remans...

 

[RoJoHen]

it might make sense that as a ship comes out of the singularity it is partially disbaled.
it would account for why the kelvin was able to do what it did .

We also have to keep in mind that Nero has had 25 years to acclimate himself to his new timeframe. Spock was probably shocked that he survived at all, considering he just flew through a blackhole.

 

[Augustus]

That and he had no way of knowing immediately where or WHEN he was nor did he know that Nero was going to do anything more than kill him anyway, which is what he was trying to do "moments" before in Spock's frame of reference...

 

[pookha]

it might make sense that as a ship comes out of the singularity it is partially disbaled.
it would account for why the kelvin was able to do what it did .

We also have to keep in mind that Nero has had 25 years to acclimate himself to his new timeframe. Spock was probably shocked that he survived at all, considering he just flew through a blackhole.

we have also seen the crew out of it when they came through time in tomorrow is yesterday.
so not only might the ship not be totally functional but yeah spocked may have been shocked in a very physical way.

 

[Franklin]

Old Spock seems a bit befuddled in general. Risking Earth to get nuKirk and nuSpock to learn that they are a good team, carring far more red matter than would be necessary, miscalculating the supernova, thinking the supernova threatens the galaxy, forgetting the Remans...

You know, reading all that together, Spock Prime is kind of a sad and tragic character in this movie.

Some other thoughts:
Yes, Spock Prime being disoriented by the time travel makes sense. Nero was there waiting to pounce. He may have captured Spock Prime before he could even figure out what was going on.

As far as falling into the black hole itself being responsible for the time travel, I thought Orci and Kurtzman said Spock Prime and Nero were pulled into some kind of time rift created by the black hole. They did not get sucked into the black hole itself.

On screen, it seems the story does raise a lot of questions when one digests it. I guess attention to certain details (Spock Prime's lack of resistence to capture, for example) were passed over in favor of a quick pace. OK for an action movie trying to pack in a lot of things, I guess. It also makes the story interactive, as we get to fill in all those blanks and holes.

 

[SPOCKED]

so not only might the ship not be totally functional but yeah spocked may have been shocked in a very physical way.

spocked ain't never shocked, baby