Spock knows the timeline changed because --?

[Franklin]

Guinan was portrayed as a character with a mysterious background and aura, so when she sensed something was wrong in "Yesterday's Enterprise," we (and Picard) could find that plausible. But the most intriguing question about this movie for me is: how does old Spock know the timeline is incorrect? And what exactly is he doing back in time?

I ask the second question because we assume that Nero's destruction of the Kelvin is what throws the timeline askew. So, if Spock could deduce for sure what happened, wouldn't his efforts to make things right simply center on preventing Nero from attacking the Kelvin? Instead, the solution (so maybe the problem) is more complicated than that.
After all, whatever Nero did to the timeline after destroying the Kelvin must not have been enough to satisfy him, because twenty-five years or so later, he appears again (from the future or fresh from destroying the Kelvin?) to attempt to destroy Vulcan.

-- Any educated guesses about what Spock knew and when he knew it?
-- Any guesses about why this timeline is apparently so hard to put right?
-- Any guesses about why simply preventing the Kelvin from being attacked must not be enough to make things right again?

 

[875020709]

I stated this in another thread. Spock is on Romulus working toward Unification. He tries to contact Vulcan.....but it isn't there. Not only has Vulcan been destroyed (from Spock's POV) but it was destroyed in the past.

My guess on why Spock knows that Vulcan had existed in his past is that he was protected from the chnage in the timeline. Remember, he has travelled through the Guardian of Forever. If you think about it, the only way anyone could travel through the Guardian would be if they were somehow protected from changes in timelines.

 

[Chaos Descending]

I highly doubt that the current production team is going to mention ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about the Guardian of Forever.

 

[Guartho]

 

[btflash]

I highly doubt that the current production team is going to mention ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about the Guardian of Forever.

maybe im wrong but i thought i had read somewhere that the guardian of forever was going to play a part in the timeline change. anybody else read that?

 

[Aragorn]

That was just a rumor. If you were making this movie, would you want to put up with the second coming of Kevin McClory?

 

[Kpnuts]

I highly doubt that the current production team is going to mention ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about the Guardian of Forever.

Agree completely. Anyone who thinks such a suble and small detail of a TOS episode will be brought into STXI needs to rethink. Abrams would never do that for a film supposedly targetted at everyday film-goers

 

[Franklin]

Oh, God. I didn't mean to unleash this. The horror of threads past!

 

[Meredith]

What about this: "Spock's Original Body Died in Star Trek II, the one he got in III is basically a clone body with his Katra moved over to it."

Maybe the Genesis generated body is separate from the timeline via some Genesis timey Wimey wibbley Wobbley stuff, note the genesis device did affect the time of object ont he planet that was created by it's actions so evolution could accelerate.

Maybe Spock's newer cloned body is immune to changes int he timeline, making him the perfect man to figure this out.

I guess Janeway forgot to tell starfleet command about the temporal shielding when she hauled her ass back from the Delta quadrant..... So now Spocks got to pull the weight with his Genesis-ed body.

 

[Chaos Descending]

Maybe there is no "timeline change" and Spock simply follows Nero back in time.

 

[gastrof]

I highly doubt that the current production team is going to mention ANYTHING WHATSOEVER about the Guardian of Forever.

maybe im wrong but i thought i had read somewhere that the guardian of forever was going to play a part in the timeline change. anybody else read that?

Ellison supposedly found out about the rumors, and began screaming bloody murder over them using a "character" he'd created without his permission.

We heard no more rumors about the Guardian being involved.

I just hope this doesn't turn into one of these "There's no logical reason for him to remember the old timeline, but he does anyway" deals.

Even in FIRST CONTACT they said Enterprise-E was caught in the temporal wake of the Borg sphere and that was why they remained as part of the old timeline, despite the rest of the galaxy being historically changed.

There'd better be a sensible explanation on why Spock remembers. Seriously. This isn't even worth a "BOYCOTT!" joke. If there's no sound reason given, it'll make the story stupid.

Maybe it'll be a case of him finding out what they have in mind and following them in his ship at the very moment they go back, so he's not even in the 24th century when any timeline changes affect it.

 

[fennrysha]

Maybe there is no "timeline change" and Spock simply follows Nero back in time.

Hey, thanks for being the voice of reason!

 

[Lt. Trull]

the temporal police... (who we found out in voyager) which are shielded behind a temporal force field covertly tell old spock who goes back in time to save young kirk....

 

[Lapis Exilis]

I stated this in another thread. Spock is on Romulus working toward Unification. He tries to contact Vulcan.....but it isn't there. Not only has Vulcan been destroyed (from Spock's POV) but it was destroyed in the past.

My guess on why Spock knows that Vulcan had existed in his past is that he was protected from the chnage in the timeline. Remember, he has travelled through the Guardian of Forever. If you think about it, the only way anyone could travel through the Guardian would be if they were somehow protected from changes in timelines.

That wouldn't really make any sense. In CotEoF, only those right next to the Guardian were protected from changes in the timeline and one would assume that was because its own energy shielded them. Remember, the Enterprise, in orbit around the Guardian's planet, disappears as soon as McCoy goes back to the past. There is no indication whatsoever that having once been near the Guardian, or having gone through the Guardian, in some way protects you from changes in the timeline once you're away from the Guardian.

 

[Green Shirt]

That's Frank Caliendo as Ellison, right?

 

[gastrof]

the temporal police... (who we found out in voyager) which are shielded behind a temporal force field covertly tell old spock who goes back in time to save young kirk....

Having no idea who Kirk is because of the timeline being changed?

I don't think so.

 

[roguephoenix]

maybe 7 of 9 from the relativity came and told him? >_<

 

[SiddFinch1]

maybe 7 of 9 from the relativity came and told him? >_<

Spock is on the ship when it goes back in time

 

[gastrof]

maybe 7 of 9 from the relativity came and told him? >_<

Anyone could have done it if all you need is a warm body.

The fact that Spock's involved suggests he's doing it because he knows Kirk and is trying to save him from being erased.

There's got to be a solution...

Someone call Simon Pegg!

 

[M'Sharak]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/guartho/TrekArt/hadisapproves.jpg

That's Frank Caliendo as Ellison, right?

No, it's a recent photo of the man himself. I believe it was taken while he was promoting the documentary film Dreams with Sharp Teeth.

That photo also appears with this article, and there's another of him dressed identically during an appearance at SxSW back in March.