Spin off topic, anyone you wouldn't save their life if you could.

[doubleohfive]

Look, I'm not interested in dragging this out, scottpens. RJDiogenes asked me to drop it and play nice, and that's what I plan on doing.

And while I certainly could have phrased it better, my general question (which has thus far gone unanswered) was simply regarding when it became the standard practice to let people refer to religions in such a way, here in Misc. If this were TNZ, I'd get it. But Misc used to be much more sensitive to these kinds of comments. I know how I would feel if someone made the same kind of comment about the religion I was raised with, so I simply was curious why suddenly it was no big thang here in Misc. I won't be pursuing it, I'm not going to argue it out with you or anyone else. I don't care that "goddamned" is a common or "least offensive" missive out there.

I just don't think, personally, it's the kind of thing someone, anyone should be saying with regard to the particular faith of any other person. Scientologist or not.

But that's me, and something I seem to have to keep being reminded of and that I also need to keep reminding myself about is that not everyone sees things the way I do.

 

[Kirk's_Tights]

Assuming we are not talking about a situation where there is risk to myself, I would do whatever I could for whoever required it.

I can't even imagine the kind of hatred you'd have to carry inside you to stand back and watch somebody die when you could have done something about it. That's not much better than killing them yourself IMO.

This.

There are people I can't fucking stand in this world but I wont just stand back and let them die. They have a family and friends, too, and I would like someone to save me, no matter how much they hated me.

 

[RJDiogenes]

And while I certainly could have phrased it better, my general question (which has thus far gone unanswered) was simply regarding when it became the standard practice to let people refer to religions in such a way, here in Misc.

Because the comment, as I read it, was more about the door-to-door soliciting being annoying, rather than an insult against the religion. That sort of thing is annoying no matter who's doing it.

 

[doubleohfive]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there are better ways to say that than "Goddamn Jehovah's Witnesses."

 

[RJDiogenes]

Probably. Very few posts here would pass peer review. But I don't think it qualifies as an anti-religious slur.

 

[Trelane]

Two of the managers at my job, my sister, and pretty much all but one of my ex's.

I'm all for looking out for Number One - Me. Let God sort it all out.

 

[JarodRussell]

Ha, what a wonderful topic.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I like these topics, they let you sort the regular jerks from the uber jerks.

 

[SPCTRE]

The only answers that spring to mind have to do with public figures and my Leftish politics, so yeah...this won't end well if we go there.

 

[Deckerd]

I like these topics, they let you sort the regular jerks from the uber jerks.

Also, like the other one about giving up your life for another, almost all of the proclamations will never be tested, except for a few members.

Frontline, I think, has actually intervened on more than one occasion but that could be part of his job, in which case like Zion, the answer 'no' is taken as read in this subject. For just about everyone else the answer will be 'no' too, even those declaring otherwise.

 

[Theodore Jay Miller]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there are better ways to say that than "Goddamn Jehovah's Witnesses."

Goldang Jehovah's Witnesses?
Goshdarn Jehovah's Witnesses?

 

[{ Emilia }]

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there are better ways to say that than "Goddamn Jehovah's Witnesses."

Goldang Jehovah's Witnesses?
Goshdarn Jehovah's Witnesses?

Frelled Jehova's Witnesses.

 

[Pingfah]

Assuming we are not talking about a situation where there is risk to myself, I would do whatever I could for whoever required it.

I can't even imagine the kind of hatred you'd have to carry inside you to stand back and watch somebody die when you could have done something about it. That's not much better than killing them yourself IMO.

I do agree that letting somebody die makes you morally culpable, but if you save somebody who then goes on to do awful things - and you knew them well enough to know that they would - would you end up carrying around guilt that if you hadn't been there, they wouldn't still be around?

It's rather an ugly secret but there was a time when I really struggled with this. Without getting too specific, somebody I love was in a hideously abusive relationship. She couldn't get out and was falling apart, we were helpless and terrified.

Every so often the abusive partner would threaten or attempt suicide. One evening I realised that if he tried to off himself in front of me I wasn't honestly sure I'd stop him. Or that if I did stop him that I wouldn't feel more guilty in the end for anything he might go on to do than I would have about letting him die. It was not a nice thing to realise about myself, but there it is.

I understand the feeling, and you may be right that you would feel guilty, but I don't think it would be rational. That's second guessing the future. You might also be preventing many good things that stem, not necessarily from the person's direct actions, but from their continued existence. You might as well take responsibility for everything that occurs as a result of your decision.

Best not to think about what may or may not happen, as you are not reponsible for other people's choices or the outcome of those choices, and just concentrate on your current moral obligation.

 

[Ninjacore]

I'm confused why ya'll are putting so much value on human life, i'd only help save someone if I knew them and cared about them, if not, sorry not my problem, i'm not gonna get sued by some starngers family bc I did emergency care incorrectly, the only logical thing to do is to let them die to avoid legal issues for yourself.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I'm confused why ya'll are putting so much value on human life,

dotdotdot

i'd only help save someone if I knew them and cared about them, if not, sorry not my problem, i'm not gonna get sued by some starngers family bc I did emergency care incorrectly, the only logical thing to do is to let them die to avoid legal issues for yourself.

Yeah, get sued for denial of assistance. That's better.

In any case in such a situation I wouldn't even think about things like that. If I can help without putting my life at risk I'd help a random stranger.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm confused why ya'll are putting so much value on human life, i'd only help save someone if I knew them and cared about them, if not, sorry not my problem, i'm not gonna get sued by some starngers family bc I did emergency care incorrectly, the only logical thing to do is to let them die to avoid legal issues for yourself.

No one ever got sued for calling 911.

 

[Ninjacore]

I'm confused why ya'll are putting so much value on human life, i'd only help save someone if I knew them and cared about them, if not, sorry not my problem, i'm not gonna get sued by some starngers family bc I did emergency care incorrectly, the only logical thing to do is to let them die to avoid legal issues for yourself.

No one ever got sued for calling 911.

I'd just feel more comfortable walking away, its not my business...

 

[Robert Maxwell]

I'm confused why ya'll are putting so much value on human life, i'd only help save someone if I knew them and cared about them, if not, sorry not my problem, i'm not gonna get sued by some starngers family bc I did emergency care incorrectly, the only logical thing to do is to let them die to avoid legal issues for yourself.

No one ever got sued for calling 911.

I'd just feel more comfortable walking away, its not my business...

Well, shit, I hope nothing bad ever happens to you and you have to rely on a stranger just making a damn phone call to save your life.

 

[JarodRussell]

I'm confused why ya'll are putting so much value on human life, i'd only help save someone if I knew them and cared about them, if not, sorry not my problem, i'm not gonna get sued by some starngers family bc I did emergency care incorrectly, the only logical thing to do is to let them die to avoid legal issues for yourself.

No one ever got sued for calling 911.

I'd just feel more comfortable walking away, its not my business...

You should know that this is an actual crime in most countries.

 

[Ninjacore]

No one ever got sued for calling 911.

I'd just feel more comfortable walking away, its not my business...

You should know that this is an actual crime.

I'm like the shadows...nobody sees me, just keep walking, the government is not all powerful.