I agree with this. I haven't been following Spidey for the last year that much, but I very much enjoyed the post OMD stuff. I might pick it up again when it goes to bi-monthy with 30 pages.
Spider-Man: One More Day, One Moment in Time and Joe Q
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I agree with this. I haven't been following Spidey for the last year that much, but I very much enjoyed the post OMD stuff. I might pick it up again when it goes to bi-monthy with 30 pages.
@Forbin no problem and you hit it on the head with regards to what happened in OMIT. That's exactly what happened.
Btw, you can head over to Comicbookresources.com to read CUP O'M.I.T.: Cold Feet Continuity (the second part of a 5 part interview with each part coming out on a separate day of this week). He now doesn't seem to say that the Mephisto deal never happened. It happened. But it just didn't happen in current continuity.
I really do want to understand this.
But this is a little exasperating.
I don't think that interview is a single interview that they are breaking up into 5 parts (to run one part for the rest of the week) but maybe it is. It might be best (for me) to read all the parts and then try to understand it all.
I really do want to understand this.
But this is a little exasperating.
I don't think that interview is a single interview that they are breaking up into 5 parts (to run one part for the rest of the week) but maybe it is. It might be best (for me) to read all the parts and then try to understand it all.
It's simple really. Mephisto made the deal with MJ but Peter only thinks that his identity has been erased nothing else. The two of them have no idea that they were once married, that's the thing of OMIT. Mephisto must be having a good laugh over this.
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This whole mess just illustrates how stupid ongoing superhero comics are. Only in this "industry" would someone make something so pointlessly convoluted and insular.
(well, this and "extended universe" book novelization series)
(well, this and "extended universe" book novelization series)
It's pointless, convuluted, and insular because Joe Q was hellbent on pushing through his mandate.
Actually I don't think that's the case any longer.
In OMD, Mephisto makes a deal to save Aunt May with Peter and MJ in lieu of their marriage. It happened.
Mephisto then goes back in time and starts the domino that will lead to Peter not having married MJ. Then all that stuff in OMIT happens. And then when Aunt May is shot, Peter doesn't "repeat" his deal with Mephisto - that doesn't happen (As evidenced by Joe Q saying that he didn't see the red dove or whatever on his way back to the hospital to see Aunt May) - instead it's Doc Strange and Iron Man and Reed who solve Peter's identity issue in this new Mephisto-initiated timeline for Peter and MJ (with minimal ripple changes to the extended MU-616).
Actually, imo, MJ's plea-deal with Mephisto is a completely dud (from my viewpoint). MJ asks him not to mess with Peter any more. And Mephisto agrees. What MJ doesn't realize is that her timeline will be gone. And in the new timeline that Mephisto will initiate, the deal won't "re-happen" - so, Mephisto is free to mess around with Peter.
That's how *I* see it. JoeQ seems to say that MJ actually won and I just don't see how that can be. But that's probably cos this whole thing doesn't make "logical sense" - like JMS seems to have wanted it to do with his "Magic needs to have rules too" standpoint.
Btw, that particular viewpoint of JMS, I picked up from this Newsarama article/interview with JMS.
Edit - And JoeQ still hasn't explained how the Disassembled storyline "didn't" happen. Or why Spidey went back to having webshooters.
It's more like Joe Q won and Spider-Man fans lost.
I'm not questioning that. It's that One Last Day ruined the character of Spider-Man for me by having Pete make a deal with Mephisto. (No matter how lamely JoeQ tries to justify it with that "No red Dove" nonsense.) I can never look at the character in the same heroic light again. There is no going back from that.
Which gives me a "Been there, done that. This is where I came in" feeling.
Yup.
As I said up post, I don't buy that for a second.
I hope that these things never get explained. Spidey continuity is screwed up enough already.
They're moving on anyway when Peter hits the "Big Time" which I'm looking forward to.
I think we all see a gleam in JoeQ's eye about the next continuity-establishing (or destabilizing) storyline. To be acronym'd as "OMG"
Also - the third day's interview of JoeQ is available on comicbookresources.com - CUP O'M.I.T.: Mary Jane's Story
I think there is, just by ignoring it. It was a poor storytelling choice that even Quesada seems to be distancing himself from by now claiming that it effectively didn't happen, and it's a safe bet that nobody's ever going to reference it again. It's like the John Byrne retelling of Spidey's origin story back around 2000 or so -- for a while, it was meant to be the new, revised continuity (without any explanation for the change), but it was so badly received that it just got abandoned and retconned out of existence without comment. And heck, the whole "Disassembled" thing where he got organic webshooters and a Pym-like "talk to insects" sense was forgotten almost immediately after it happened! There was exactly one passing reference to it in one subsequent issue, and then it was never acknowledged again.
Spider-Man isn't defined by any one storytelling choice by any one author or editor. The character has been around since 1963, and lots of events in his life have been ignored or retconned away. (Just the fact that he was originally a teenager in the '60s is obviously ignored now; modern retellings of his teenage years put them in the late '90s or early '00s. He's always had a mutable reality, just like any other long-running comics character.) Spider-Man has weathered bad stories before, and he will again. The character is strong and enduring enough to survive the occasional misstep by the occasional storyteller.
Wow Christopher we actually agree on something for once LOL.
Uhm.. how about the rest of the superhero community who know Peter and MJ? Isn't someone gonna ask both of them (as a couple) over for a little BBQ and some beers or congratulate them on some marriage anniversary? What happens then when they realize everybody thinks they have been married for years?
It really makes my head spin.
Everyone's memories have been altered to fit.
The biggest problem, especially at the start of this, was that obviously everything from the point of marriage through OMD was fundamentally altered. Harry being alive was a big clue.
Now after a few years of hearing how much everyone hates the Mephisto thing team Joey Q has been trying to back peddle and say, "No everything still happened" keeping it, as best as possible, in continuity.
As much as so many hated the Clone Saga it was never altered out of continuity. The events of it were never questionable from a character perspective. Peter didn't do something grossly out of character like OMD and the Mephisto deal.
Joey Q simply is trying to have it both ways now and its more than simply ignoring one 6-8 issue arc like Christopher is saying has happened before.
OMD altered about a 1/2 of an adult Peter Parkers life experiences. Now Joey Q is in full back peddle mode trying to make sure no future EIC mandates this all be ignored.
Now after a few years of hearing how much everyone hates the Mephisto thing team Joey Q has been trying to back peddle and say, "No everything still happened" keeping it, as best as possible, in continuity.
As much as so many hated the Clone Saga it was never altered out of continuity. The events of it were never questionable from a character perspective. Peter didn't do something grossly out of character like OMD and the Mephisto deal.
Joey Q simply is trying to have it both ways now and its more than simply ignoring one 6-8 issue arc like Christopher is saying has happened before.
OMD altered about a 1/2 of an adult Peter Parkers life experiences. Now Joey Q is in full back peddle mode trying to make sure no future EIC mandates this all be ignored.
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Marvel Comics needs a full-universe reboot going back to Disassembled for all titles and back to Morrison's run in the X-books.
Dr. Strange performed a ritual that altered everyone's memories of Peter and MJ after consulting Tony and Reed, and yes one of my problems is how events in Peter's life where they involve Mary Jane such as the Clone Saga where she played such a big part in his life. There's just so much that has been affected without an explanation and I doubt we'll get one. It was mentioned early on in Brand New Day that people remember Spider-Man unmasking during Civil War they just don't know who was under the mask.
It sounds like the explanation is that Peter and MJ still lived together after they decided not to get married, so that the stories we remember still happened pretty much the same way. The difference being, allegedly, that their final breakup didn't affect Peter as badly as a divorce, so that he was free to go back to being Mr. Carefree Man-Child pretty quickly. I guess. Pretty awkward if you ask me.
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