Spoilers Spider-Man: No Way Home - Review and Discussion Thread

[Reverend]

Not really. Peter specifically says "some of them are going to die". Strange specifically says something to the effect of "if they die, they die."

It's not that Strange is trying to get them killed by sending them back, it's that he doesn't care whether sending them back gets them killed or not, he just wants them back where and when they were.

As for Marko; nobody is in a position to know whether he survives or not since he's the furthest along in that timeline, that is until Tobey-Peter shows up, but by then it's academic.

 

[wayoung]

Or maybe they from multiverses where everything and everyone was exactly the same as the previous Sony franchises, except that Curt & Sandman did die. Differences like that are irrelevant. It's all magic and other dimensions. A wizard did it.

 

[thribs]

I don’t think so. I thought that might be the case but I believe they are the actual movie versions. To keep it simpler

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Saw the film again today. The plot holes stood out more this time but I don't care. The film is still amazing, spectacular, sensational!

Something I noticed the first time around but completely forgot about until the rewatch because of everything that happened: When Peter meets Norman at the shelter, he says "Norman Osborn? I thought you were—" before he's interrupted. Which makes me wonder how he was going to complete that thought. A few moments later, Norman says that someone else is living in his house, Oscorp doesn't exist, and something vague about Harry (suggestive that he doesn't exist). So if Norman is a nobody, then what was Peter going to say?

I'm surprised no one has talked about this in this thread, but I'm curious to know who people spotted trying to break through the cracks in the multiverse during the climax. The few clear shots we get with silhouettes go by so quickly that it's hard to make out more than a couple without a pause button. Both times I noticed Rhino and someone with a staff (but I can't think who that would be and my stupid brain keeps thinking Odin). This time around I noticed another Dr. Octopus but far more rotund and shorter than Molina. I wonder if there are any Into the Spider-Verse villains in there (the Doc Ock I spotted definitely wasn't Liv).

I missed this first time around but while the initial spell breaks apart, we briefly glimpse Lizard's silhouette...which makes sense considering Strange later mentioned that shortly after Peter left, Strange discovered and captured Lizard. I just thought that was a cool little set-up and pay off.

Another thing I didn't suss onto the first time around: During the bridge battle with Doc Ock, there's a slow-motion shot where Spider-Man deftly jumped over a thrown car, which felt like a visual callback to Spider-Man 2.

 

[Tosk]

Wait a minute...my memories a little old but is that really how the scream went? His face going back to being emotionless right after?!

This probably won't surprise you but...that video is edited.

 

[Reverend]

When Peter meets Norman at the shelter, he says "Norman Osborn? I thought you were—" before he's interrupted. Which makes me wonder how he was going to complete that thought.

"-a maniacal supervillain holding her hostage!" is roughly where I assumed that sentence was going. Otto told Peter Norman's full name, and IIRC May says his name before Peter, so it's not like Peter recognises his face.

Both times I noticed Rhino and someone with a staff (but I can't think who that would be and my stupid brain keeps thinking Odin). This time around I noticed another Dr. Octopus but far more rotund and shorter than Molina. I wonder if there are any Into the Spider-Verse villains in there (the Doc Ock I spotted definitely wasn't Liv).

I'm about 75% sure the dude with the spear is Kraven the Hunter. As for the other Doc Ock, I just assumed he was supposed to look more like the classic 616 comic book design.

 

[The Knappos]

The guy with the spear is meant to be Kraven but they used a M’Baku CG artefact from Black Panther. Seeing as it’s all obscured, they figured no one would notice

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Something I noticed the first time around but completely forgot about until the rewatch because of everything that happened: When Peter meets Norman at the shelter, he says "Norman Osborn? I thought you were—" before he's interrupted. Which makes me wonder how he was going to complete that thought. A few moments later, Norman says that someone else is living in his house, Oscorp doesn't exist, and something vague about Harry (suggestive that he doesn't exist). So if Norman is a nobody, then what was Peter going to say?

"I thought you were dead"? Hadn't Peter been told by Otto that Norman Osborn had died years ago and that Green Goblin was "a ghost" just prior to that?

I thought, when I saw the film the first time, this scene would be where one of the other Spider-Men was introduced. MCU Peter is hunting for villains from other universes, May calls him to tell him someone from another universe is at the shelter, Peter arrives expecting a fight, and discovers instead May chatting amiably with ASM Peter. Flip things on their head a bit more.

 

[thribs]

Another minor inconsistency was with Maguire’s Spider-Man saying he hasn’t worked as a team before. He has with Harry in Spider-Man 3.

 

[wew]

Saw the film again today. The plot holes stood out more this time but I don't care. The film is still amazing, spectacular, sensational!

Something I noticed the first time around but completely forgot about until the rewatch because of everything that happened: When Peter meets Norman at the shelter, he says "Norman Osborn? I thought you were—" before he's interrupted. Which makes me wonder how he was going to complete that thought. A few moments later, Norman says that someone else is living in his house, Oscorp doesn't exist, and something vague about Harry (suggestive that he doesn't exist). So if Norman is a nobody, then what was Peter going to say?

I'm surprised no one has talked about this in this thread, but I'm curious to know who people spotted trying to break through the cracks in the multiverse during the climax. The few clear shots we get with silhouettes go by so quickly that it's hard to make out more than a couple without a pause button. Both times I noticed Rhino and someone with a staff (but I can't think who that would be and my stupid brain keeps thinking Odin). This time around I noticed another Dr. Octopus but far more rotund and shorter than Molina. I wonder if there are any Into the Spider-Verse villains in there (the Doc Ock I spotted definitely wasn't Liv).

I missed this first time around but while the initial spell breaks apart, we briefly glimpse Lizard's silhouette...which makes sense considering Strange later mentioned that shortly after Peter left, Strange discovered and captured Lizard. I just thought that was a cool little set-up and pay off.

Another thing I didn't suss onto the first time around: During the bridge battle with Doc Ock, there's a slow-motion shot where Spider-Man deftly jumped over a thrown car, which felt like a visual callback to Spider-Man 2.

I briefly mentioned Kraven (guy with a spear) earlier in this thread.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Nope.

Incorrect.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Jon Favreau has appeared on screen with both live action cinematic Daredevils.

 

[Samurai8472]

The NWH Team are making a bid for Oscar consideration


https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...no-way-home-oscars-best-film-push-1235067052/

 

[The Nth Doctor]

"-a maniacal supervillain holding her hostage!" is roughly where I assumed that sentence was going. Otto told Peter Norman's full name, and IIRC May says his name before Peter, so it's not like Peter recognises his face.

"I thought you were dead"? Hadn't Peter been told by Otto that Norman Osborn had died years ago and that Green Goblin was "a ghost" just prior to that?

Yeah, I suppose so but that doesn't feel right to me. Peter saw the Green Goblin clear as day so he knows he's not actually dead. Peter has no actual connection to that person so there's no reason being a ghost would hold any resonance for him.

I guess I'm just overreading the moment but the way Peter said that line, it sounded like there was more weight to it, as there were was some meaning to him.

I thought, when I saw the film the first time, this scene would be where one of the other Spider-Men was introduced. MCU Peter is hunting for villains from other universes, May calls him to tell him someone from another universe is at the shelter, Peter arrives expecting a fight, and discovers instead May chatting amiably with ASM Peter. Flip things on their head a bit more.

While I see the appeal in that alternate take, having that scene be about May helping a distraught Norman sets up the moral conundrum Peter will go through for the rest of the film, leading to May's own death. That wouldn't work otherwise.

I'm about 75% sure the dude with the spear is Kraven the Hunter. As for the other Doc Ock, I just assumed he was supposed to look more like the classic 616 comic book design.

The guy with the spear is meant to be Kraven but they used a M’Baku CG artefact from Black Panther. Seeing as it’s all obscured, they figured no one would notice

I briefly mentioned Kraven (guy with a spear) earlier in this thread.

Damn, I don't know why I didn't think of Kraven. I guess I normally don't think of him with a spear but rather with a rifle.

As for the other Doc Ock, I just assumed he was supposed to look more like the classic 616 comic book design.

Yeah, that makes sense but it feels repetitive without any real differential, or you know, do Liv instead (her hair is unmistakable). There are so many classic Spidey villains that the films haven't even touched on that it seems a "waste" to repeat Doc Ock.[/QUOTE]

Jon Favreau has appeared on screen with both live action cinematic Daredevils.

Damn, it's been so long since I've seen the Affleck flick that I completely forgot Favreau was in it. Or I successfully blocked the film from memory entirely.

The NWH Team are making a bid for Oscar consideration

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/m...no-way-home-oscars-best-film-push-1235067052/

I saw that earlier. I love this film, probably more than most, but even I think that's a bit silly. Black Panther? Absolutely. This film? Naaahh.

 

[Mage]

Incorrect.

Whatever floats your boat buddy.

 

[StarMan]

I saw it the other day. A real treat for fans of the Spidey movies, no doubt.

Spiderman has never been my go-to for superheroes - just never resonated with me. Still, it was a solid flick and I liked how they integrated the various villains into the story and went in some interesting directions character-wise, rather than merely dropping them in for a mindless battle royale (which yes, we did get at the end).

For me, WanderVision remains the stand-out in this new phase (I say that with Black Widow, Shang-Chi, The Eternals & Hawkeye still to watch).

 

[JD]

Only because there were mainly male centric comics back then. Killing off love interests is a affective story trope.
Had nothing to do with comic creators hating women or anything.

I don't think anyone thinks the creators hate women, it's just that the women in those scenarios had no agency of their own, they were simply plot devices being used to move the guys' stories forward, with no thought given to them and their stories.

 

[1001001]

I thought the “we have to save them” thing was kind of bullshit at first. Send them back to their fates. Fine.

All was forgiven when the others showed up. Great dialogue, great action, great humor.

The ending…

Perfect.

A

 

[thribs]

The only issue I had with the “save them” thing was that we never saw what they did had any affect in their respective universes. For all we know, they went back to the place they left and still died.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Whatever floats your boat buddy.

Same to you, pal.