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Spider-Man: Far From Home anticipation thread

ITDUDE said:
In the Spiderman trailer they officially introduce concept of multi-verse. If that doesn't spell "X-Men" I don't know what does. If they were to completely reboot X-Men, 5 years is not nearly enough. It's not a single character, it a whole race of people. It would be very difficult to retcon X-men into MCU, in one year or even five. But with multi-verse, the door is wide open, right now! Not rebooted X-men. They same x-men as they are now (actors, characters). Will they do it? Don't know. Can they do it if they wanted to? Oh absolutely.
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ITDUDE said:
Maybe, but won't it be fun, if my theory is actually true! The signs are there:
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Maybe it doesn't mean anything, maybe it stands for “mutant containment unit".... Or maybe it stands for MCU is coming, you can't hide from it!
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Even if the MCU uses multiverse concepts to introduce the X-Men, even if they actually keep (some of) the popular actors because they don't think they can get anyone better, it will never be the same characters as the fox movies. The fox movies have never been as successful as the MCU and they (other than Deadpool) have been losing steam for years. They're over.

Also, Endgame, Dark Phoenix and Far From Home were all conceived and shot before the Disney/Fox deal was legally approved. It would literally have been illegal for anyone to include anything in any of those movies on the basis of the assumption that the deal was happening. They weren't allowed to act on any of this in any way until the deal was 100% complete (March 20).
 
Diacanu over at Wordforge has an interesting theory that the multiverse angle is a way of dealing with it if/when the Spidey licence returns to Sony - so will this version of Spidey via dimensional portal/Spider-Verse shenanigans.

I'm liking the trailer. Has all the humour of the PS4 Spidey game and Spidey has indeed upped his game from the first movie. I can see him taking out Vulture no problem now, Iron Spider suit or no.
 
matthunter said:
Diacanu over at Wordforge has an interesting theory that the multiverse angle is a way of dealing with it if/when the Spidey licence returns to Sony
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The license doesn't have to "return" to Sony because it was never taken away from them.

The introduction of the Multiverse does offer an avenue for Venom and the rest of Sony's non-MCU Spider-Man films and the MCU to exist in concert with each other, though, which is good.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Nah, I would be shocked if that happened. X-Men will be treated as a separate entity until they're formerly introduced into the MCU...five years from now. Feige has made it clear that they already had five to seven years worth of plans set before the Fox deal was official, which seems to indicate we won't see the X-Men anytime soon. Which, honestly, I'm happy about. We need a break from them before they get reintroduced.
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But look how quickly Spiderman showed up when they got him.
I imagine we'll see X-Men character pop up in some movies and/or some kind of world building in preparation for them. Like what if it was discovered that those snapped back now had the mutant gene.
 
Great trailer, love that they are using the Snaps as a way to introduce the multiverse. I could definitely see that as a way to bring in the X-Men without having to suddenly retcon the mutants into the MCU.
As for the FF, I doubt they'll be from an alternate universe, but it could open up the Negative Zone, which tends to be a big part of their stories.
So the big question now is if this in fact an alternate heroic Mysterio, or if he is the villain and is lying about the whole thing.
Love that MJ has already figured out he's Spider-Man.
The whole "But I'm just the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man" "Bitch please, you've been to space" exchange is already one of my favorites in the whole MCU.
 
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Saul said:
Like what if it was discovered that those snapped back now had the mutant gene.
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Or the people who already had the X-gene had it activated by being unsnapped. That also leaves half of the potential mutants still available to get dramatic activations later.
 
Saul said:
But look how quickly Spiderman showed up when they got him.
I imagine we'll see X-Men character pop up in some movies and/or some kind of world building in preparation for them. Like what if it was discovered that those snapped back now had the mutant gene.
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Writing in a drop-in role for Spider-Man in CACW is not even remotely comparable to basing the entire premise of the movie around the *possibility* that a deal with Fox *might* be reached by the time the movie came out. The former going south means you just don't film one scene, change a few lines of dialogue and come up with some alternate action beats for the big fight. The latter going south could conceivably require whole sequences to be re-shot, to say nothing of VFX work.
Remember it takes a good two years to make these things, so the basic outline for the script would have been more or less locked sometime mid-2017 at the latest.
 
Reverend said:
Writing in a drop-in role for Spider-Man in CACW is not even remotely comparable to basing the entire premise of the movie around the *possibility* that a deal with Fox *might* be reached by the time the movie came out. The former going south means you just don't film one scene, change a few lines of dialogue and come up with some alternate action beats for the big fight. The latter going south could conceivably require whole sequences to be re-shot, to say nothing of VFX work.
Remember it takes a good two years to make these things, so the basic outline for the script would have been more or less locked sometime mid-2017 at the latest.
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Post-credit end scenes are perfect for this. Just get couple actors together for a half a day, get a second unit (or third), and film on location. Or just CGI the whole thing. And it's not like it would take a lot to get a hint:
-Peter Parker opens a door and we get a view from the back of someone sitting in a wheelchair with a distinctive bold head
-Sansa, sorry, Jean Grey detecting gamma radiation (or whatever radiation that was coming off Earth when Thanos did the Snap) coming from a multi-deminsional portal that appeared around earth.
Anything like that will blow up the Interwebs without having to actually film a lot of content or spend a lot of money.
 
UssGlenn said:
Or the people who already had the X-gene had it activated by being unsnapped. That also leaves half of the potential mutants still available to get dramatic activations later.
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Too similar to what happened with the inhumans... though that was on TV, and might get totally ignored.
 
Yeah, they're not just going to drop something into a post credits scene now without a solid plan on where it'd going and how it's going to pay off. Also bare in mind they they already have plans in place for the next phase of movies and presumably a rough overarching plan for the ones after that, so any integration if the Fox-Marvel characters and concepts will need to be carefully integrated into that.

Either way, i think they're a ways off from going anywhere near the X-Men, if for no other reason than the current incarnation is still has one movie left to go and is so obviously going to suck they probably want to give it some time for the stink to wear off.
'Fantastic 4' are much more likely to be up first and even then, probably not until phase 5 at the earliest.
 
The licensing agreement between Sony and Marvel Studios over the latter company's access to Spider-Man was already long finalized by the time Civil War went into production.

Those who think Marvel Studios or FOX can just write another production company's intellectual property into their own IP have no concept of how things actually work.
 
The new trailer was better then the last one.
The main plot is still super predictable (Spoiler alert: Mysterio is lying, and is actually a bad guy), but the fact he might actually be from a different universe is interesting (although that will probably be a lie too, since the new Spider-Man movies wouldn't be kind enough to do something that interesting, they just want to be generic teen movies that only succeed because they're just mediocre, not dogshit like the Amazing SM films).

Still, Nick Fury and Happy showing up is nice. Combine them with Peter and the movie has 2 and a half good characters (Peter is the half, he's good as SMpider-Man but almost as bad as Andrew Garfield in the non-superhero sections). On the other hand, the movie does have a lot of shit characters (that girl is not MJ and will never be MJ, Peter's best friend still sucks and helmetless Mysterio seems like he'll be almost as bad as Vulture was). But, at least the Mysterio fights seem like they'll be a spectacle, unlike the boring Vulture fight, and we don't have Tony stark taking away Spider-Man's stuff for no reason, so this will almost certainly be a much better movie then Homecoming.

It will still probably be a low tier MCU movie, but just being at the level of ok that Thor 2 and Iron Man 2 were would be an improvement over Homecoming for me.
 
Yeah, that is surprising. I didn't find out until today that Harrier was supposedly returning anyways, but I thought we "knew" Keaton was reprising Toomes for awhile now. Not I don't mind since I don't really see much room for either character to appear in a globetrotting tale that focuses on possible visitors from alternative universes.
 
Reverend said:
Writing in a drop-in role for Spider-Man in CACW is not even remotely comparable to basing the entire premise of the movie around the *possibility* that a deal with Fox *might* be reached by the time the movie came out. The former going south means you just don't film one scene, change a few lines of dialogue and come up with some alternate action beats for the big fight. The latter going south could conceivably require whole sequences to be re-shot, to say nothing of VFX work.
Remember it takes a good two years to make these things, so the basic outline for the script would have been more or less locked sometime mid-2017 at the latest.
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Er....Yes, that's why I didn't mention an actual film based on them and said they'd lay ground work with world building and said they could pop up sooner in some movie since Spiderman popped up in Civil War.
 
io9 published a great write-up from a set visit with interviews from Tom Holland, director Jon Watts, and executive producer Eric Carroll. The article provides a lot more details about what to expect from the film, both on a macro and micro level. In a separate io9 article, Watts also talks about dealing with severe ramifications of Endgame.
 
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