One theory I think I remember hearing is that they are using The Elementals, but might replacing one or two of the comics characters with characters mentioned the quote.
Spider-Man: Far From Home anticipation thread
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I think the "Elementals" are going to be part of Mysterio's con.
The official synopsis mentions the Elementals as the movie's primary threat; turning them into a "con" cooked up by Mysterio would be a monumentally stupid idea.
Right. Because Marvel always gives away all their plot twists in the synopsis.
Baiting-and-switching your audience is never a good idea, and having your advertised villains be nothing more than "smoke and mirrors" is a massive bait-and-switch.
The percentage of the audience that gets any information whatsoever by reading the synopsis is miniscule. A 'bait-and-switch' in relation to something like that will not even be recognized as a bait-and-switch. The only way anyone would be at all put out is if the final movie feels like a bait-and-switch in relation to the trailers, which hardly make the elementals feel like *the* main issue.
Remember, this is the same studio that gave us the Mandarin / Trevor Slattery twist, which isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be.
They also include footage in trailers that was never intended to be in the final cut of the movie strictly for misdirection purposes.
They also include footage in trailers that was never intended to be in the final cut of the movie strictly for misdirection purposes.
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The Mandarin twist was so badly received by both fanboys and general audiences - especially general audiences - that Marvel Studios had to pull a retcon and say that the real Mandarin exists somewhere in the MCU even though we'll never see him.
And, for all that it has the Marvel Studios logo on it, Far From Home doesn't belong to them anyway and I doubt that Sony would have condoned a blatant bait-and-switch that is almost guaranteed to alienate general audiences.
The Mandarin outrage is highly over-stated. It certainly didn't affect box-office, which belies any arguments about "alienating the fan-base".
Although I wasn't beholden to any particular loyalty to the Mandarin, I loved the twist regarding him.
(I can't provide a link, but according to Wikipedia's article on the short, that info comes from Marvel Studios: Assembling a Universe. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: The Complete First Season home media, bonus material)
You literally just described Mysterio's M.O.
Except that's factually wrong. Screenwriter Drew Pearce had the story ideas for All Hail thr King during the production of Iron Man 3.
(I can't provide a link, but according to Wikipedia's article on the short, that info comes from Marvel Studios: Assembling a Universe. Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: The Complete First Season home media, bonus material)
I never even read any story involving the Mandarin at all prior to the movie, but I hated the twist with a passion.
But it wasn't the fact that it was a 'bait-and-switch' so much as the fact that the 'bait' promised me something vastly superior to what the 'switch' ultimately gave me. If Killian had been a better character with a better performance (and less generically repetitive), it would've been a great idea.
IOW, even if there are people who would get put out about this hypothetical bait-and-switch situation, that hardly spells doom for the movie. As long as Mysterio doesn't disappoint, everything will be fine. ETA: Especially since none of the materials released so far come even remotely close to promising people that the elementals will be in any way super-duper-amazing. In fact, they've barely even been mentioned in the trailers at all so far - as opposed to the IM3 trailers which focused very heavily on Kingsley's magnetic, off-the-wall performance.
Indeed.
That's fair. I know I'm in the minority regarding my enjoyment of Iron Man 3 (Iron Man 2, too), but I always find the film highly entertaining twists and flaws and all.
Indeed. So far, the promotional material has glancingly referred to the Elementals while emphasized Mysterio and his supposed heroism (and anyone who knows the character ain't fooled). The trailer's stinger directly shows how people are getting caught up in the excitement of Mysterio's actions.
^I think people were still upset about Talia because she was seen as an unnecessary added-late-in-the-film villain (so another superhero movie that was overstuffed) that pretty much just took away from Bane and what his backstory seemed to be.
I suspect critics will praise Gyllenhaal, Holland and Jackson's performances but still also complain that the film feels overstuffed.
I suspect critics will praise Gyllenhaal, Holland and Jackson's performances but still also complain that the film feels overstuffed.
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No more than Homecoming, which had around 4 villains.
The whole Mandarin twist is one of my favorite moments in all of the MCU movies, and the scene where we meet the real Slattery is hilarious.
As for the Elemtentals being a fakeout from Mysterio, it seems to me like exactly the kind of thing of thing Mysterio would do, and I've been seeing people theorizing about it pretty much since we first heard about them and Mysterio. I can't really see people getting that upset about it if does happen, mainly because nobody gives a shit about The Elementals, and Mysterio is one of Spidey's most popular villains. I'd never even heard of The Elementals before they came up in relation to Far From Home, but I've known about Mysterio almost as long as I've known about Spider-Man.
As for the Elemtentals being a fakeout from Mysterio, it seems to me like exactly the kind of thing of thing Mysterio would do, and I've been seeing people theorizing about it pretty much since we first heard about them and Mysterio. I can't really see people getting that upset about it if does happen, mainly because nobody gives a shit about The Elementals, and Mysterio is one of Spidey's most popular villains. I'd never even heard of The Elementals before they came up in relation to Far From Home, but I've known about Mysterio almost as long as I've known about Spider-Man.
I can also see the Elementals possibly being real, and working with Mysterio (who pretends to defeat them with his fancy light show) to con everyone and they each get a cut of whatever he gets as reward.
I think that possibility would make more sense if they're merging the Elementals with better-known Spidey villains such as Sandman, Molten Man, Hydro-Man, etc., but if it really is just the Elementals, having them just be projections of Mysterio works just as well.
I think that possibility would make more sense if they're merging the Elementals with better-known Spidey villains such as Sandman, Molten Man, Hydro-Man, etc., but if it really is just the Elementals, having them just be projections of Mysterio works just as well.
People often throw around the 'overstuffed' complaint with no sense of context. You really have to look at a lot more than just the raw number. There's a huge difference between Homecoming (1 main villain, with 2-3 minor ones acting as henchman) and stuff like Spider-man 3 (3 main villains all vying for attention until 2 of them eventually turn on the third).
TDKR isn't really relevant to that sort of complaint at all, imo. Catwoman isn't really a villain at all, Scarecrow is just a cameo, same as in TDK, and Bane and Talia are working together intimately so their stories line up quite smoothly. That some people would dislike Talia for being unnecessary and undermining Bane's story I can see - but that's not about the movie being overstuffed, that's a question of if the main villain would have been better served with a slightly different story concept.
I don't know. I can imagine certain people somewhere on the web absolutely losing it and denouncing the film
As for myself, Spidey is probably the marvel superhero I saw most of in the comics growing up, and I really don't know who they are. (The ones I'd read mostly stuck to Goblin, Doc Ock and Sand Man with a very tiny bit of Electro who was in prison at that point).
Like the Other Winter Soldiers or the Mandarin?
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Ninjaed! Of course, I am not a big fan of Sandman because I really disliked what they did with him in Spider-Man 3 and don't think anyone really is dying for a second portrayal of him in film.
Mysterio being the "Avengers-level hero" and Spiderman the "Street Level Hero" strikes me as what they'll probably be do with Spiderman realizing he prefers to stay out of the limelight.