SPIDER-MAN 4 on "indefinite hold"
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It doesn't matter what any of these villains are like in the comics. The only important question is how a given character idea could be developed in a movie script.
The Lizard has some advantages in that regard. Sure it would require a lot of CG, but that's the stock-in-trade of big budget adventure movies now, and the result would be more visually striking than many of the alternatives.
The Lizard has some advantages in that regard. Sure it would require a lot of CG, but that's the stock-in-trade of big budget adventure movies now, and the result would be more visually striking than many of the alternatives.
For the Vulture they could just do the 90s storyline where the Vulture uses technology to suck the life from people to become young again. So you briefly show an old man playing him in the start then it's a young strong guy after that. Also you can do the bit where Spidey is turned into a fragile old man. The kids love seeing their hero as an 80-something I tell ya.
Plus as someone else here has pointed out, Raimi isn't just throwing in villains just to have them in the picture. Each and everyone he's used has some tie in to a lesson Peter has to learn as well as the films theme.
The studio should let Raimi have more of a free reign on this score. Venom was shoe-horned in 3 at the studio's insistence and is their anybody who now thinks that was a good idea? I would have been happy if Brock had become Venom at the end of the film and left us with a cliffhanger for him to be the principle villain in the fourth film but the film was half an hour too long just so they could showcase Venom. The Sandman and Green Goblin 2 were perfectly sufficient as villains in conjunction with the evil Peter plot.
As for the Vulture, one of the early Black Cat stories involved her stealing a detonator to a bomb that the Owl was using to threaten the city or some such. So the story revolved around the pursuit of the detonator and led to the Cat joining up with Spidey. Replace the Owl with the Vulture and I think that's a perfectly respectable plot to work with - and you have two villains, which is plenty, plus the whole Cat/Spidey/MJ triangle to deal with, the twist being that Cat has absolutely no interest in Peter Parker without the mask. And stick with a non-powered Cat to make the most of that early dynamic.
If Felicia Hardy is to be converted to the Vultress however, I'm with the studio... leave it on hold until Raimi sobers up.
As for the Vulture, one of the early Black Cat stories involved her stealing a detonator to a bomb that the Owl was using to threaten the city or some such. So the story revolved around the pursuit of the detonator and led to the Cat joining up with Spidey. Replace the Owl with the Vulture and I think that's a perfectly respectable plot to work with - and you have two villains, which is plenty, plus the whole Cat/Spidey/MJ triangle to deal with, the twist being that Cat has absolutely no interest in Peter Parker without the mask. And stick with a non-powered Cat to make the most of that early dynamic.
If Felicia Hardy is to be converted to the Vultress however, I'm with the studio... leave it on hold until Raimi sobers up.
Kraven sounds interesting. None of the rest of that does.
I just don't understand online reaction to the Spider-man film franchise. I thought Spider-man 2 was mediocre at best (mostly thanks to the contrived sun plot replacing potential to tie Doc Ock into a greater Spider-man mythos); and the glaring thing shoe-horned into Spider-man 3 was that suddenly Sandman was the person who killed Uncle Ben (which is as bad as saying it was the Joker who killed Thomas and Martha Wayne).
Spider-man / Lizard / Kraven is pretty much the no-brainer for Spider-man 4; it would even fit the flow of character development many of you keep talking about (i.e. Lizard is a character who turns into monster in the eyes of the woman he loves and the plot follows him trying to once again become the man she knew - Peter's dilemma with MJ after Spider-man 3).
Raimi's just lost his perspective in my opinion; he hasn't been putting as much thought into it as he did the first movie. Just think about all of the creative wipes from scene to scene in the first film (such as the explosion turning into the graduation caps being thrown into the air); the Darkman-esque presentation. That's Raimi's signature, and we haven't had it since the first film.
Spider-man / Lizard / Kraven is pretty much the no-brainer for Spider-man 4; it would even fit the flow of character development many of you keep talking about (i.e. Lizard is a character who turns into monster in the eyes of the woman he loves and the plot follows him trying to once again become the man she knew - Peter's dilemma with MJ after Spider-man 3).
Raimi's just lost his perspective in my opinion; he hasn't been putting as much thought into it as he did the first movie. Just think about all of the creative wipes from scene to scene in the first film (such as the explosion turning into the graduation caps being thrown into the air); the Darkman-esque presentation. That's Raimi's signature, and we haven't had it since the first film.
^ There was a version of the Spider-Man 2 script where Doc Ock was a love interest for Mary Jane and the Donna Murphy character didn't exist. I think it was the Michael Chabon draft which was really long too.
Hmmm as much as I enjoyed "Spider-Man" and "Spider-Man 2" I have been somewhat conflicted by my feelings regarding the Spider film franchise. On one level I think that Rami and his writers (including Alvin Seargent) managed to succeed in telling an emotional story, getting the audience to relate and feel Peter Parker but sacrificed character develop and any action. "Spider-Man 3" was a big mess due to a ton of studio interference. As for "Spider-Man 4" since it's supposed to be a stand alone film before 5+6 duology I think I would include The Lizard and Black Cat. I would like to see The Vulture, I hold he's more intersting than some of the posters on this board and Morbius would be kind of cool.
I'm still surprised that we're even getting Spider-Man 4 at this point or any other films. I thought we were going to get a rest more than two or three years.
Hmmm as much as I enjoyed "Spider-Man" and "Spider-Man 2" I have been somewhat conflicted by my feelings regarding the Spider film franchise. On one level I think that Rami and his writers (including Alvin Seargent) managed to succeed in telling an emotional story, getting the audience to relate and feel Peter Parker but sacrificed character develop and any action. "Spider-Man 3" was a big mess due to a ton of studio interference. As for "Spider-Man 4" since it's supposed to be a stand alone film before 5+6 duology I think I would include The Lizard and Black Cat. I would like to see The Vulture, I hold he's more intersting than some of the posters on this board and Morbius would be kind of cool.
I'm still surprised that we're even getting Spider-Man 4 at this point or any other films. I thought we were going to get a rest more than two or three years.
^ Well, the last one came out in 2007, and if they haven't even decided who the villain is, the script is still in the air and they probably aren't ready to actually start shooting any time soon. It's been mentioned that they were looking at a 2011 release, but I think 2012 is more likely if they want to keep their usual springtime release frame. By which point, it will have been five years.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Yeah that's what I don't understand. Star Trek is now spouted as a resurgent power for the franchise yet nobody is rushing for the sequel. Hell even Transformers got a sequel in two years and so did Iron Man, why not Star Trek?
I have no problem waiting. Let them take their time to get it right. Transformers 2 sucked.
I have no problem waiting for Star Trek I want them to get it right as well.
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To be fair, so did the first one. I don't think rushing had anything to do with it, just a general air of suckiness about the whole premise.
Well speaking as someone that has never watched the cartoons or read the comics, I very much enjoyed the first film as it was everything that someone just being introduced to Transformers needed. The second one was a jumbled bunch of nonsense that didn't even seem consistant to the first.