Spoilers Spider-man 3(take 2) Anticipation thread

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Samurai8472, Jan 17, 2021.

  1. Evil Headhunter

    Evil Headhunter Scarecrow Keeper Premium Member

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    Of course. It can't be anyone else.
     
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  2. JD

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    And he needs to be done in the same style he was in Into the Spider-verse, basically just make it the version we got there.
     
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  3. Relayer1

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    So, does it look like the Sonyverse is going to use multiversality and run with one of the other Spidey's, leaving Holland to the MCU ?
     
  4. theenglish

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    I agree. Spidey hasn't been in high school for fifty years in the comics.
     
  5. Nightowl1701

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    My guess: Ben in the MCU (and remember, we've not seen his face so far) not only died before the spider-bite and before he could give Peter that speech (which has not in any way been referenced by MCU's Peter to date), but he was one of the random civilian casualties of the Battle of New York in 2012 - a decade before the 'present,' so the ages would match up then. (Or go a couple years earlier to the Stark Expo in 2010, where we know young Peter was in his Iron Man mask. Tony and Rhodey did their best to save everybody, but sometimes one or two slip through the cracks...)
     
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    Nah, ya gotta have The Guilt. :rolleyes:
     
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  7. UssGlenn

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    Yes it has, Peter tells Tony an awkwardly worded version of it in Civil War.

    "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't and then the bad things happen they happen because of you."
     
  8. Nightowl1701

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    I stand corrected, I forgot that line.:shrug:
     
  9. kirk55555

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    I always think of this when people try to act like Spider-Man has always been associated with being a teenager/in high school. Before Ultimate spider-Man (the original run), Peter hadn't been in High School since graduating in Amazing Spider-Man #28, from September 1965. For a little context, my mother was barely 2 years old when Peter in the main universe graduated High School. Outside of a few flashbacks and side stories, no version of Peter was a high schooler again until September 2000, when Ultimate Spider-Man #1 came out. So, literally 35 years to the publication month between any version of Peter Parker being in High School, and when he did "go back", it was an alternate universe version.

    No one my age (born 1990) all the way back to when my mom was a kid would have associated Spider-Man with High School. Even all the cartoons up until Spectacular Spider-Man had him as an adult, much less the comics and the weird 70s live action stuff. Even in 2000 only some comic fans would have been reading Ultimate Spider-Man, and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man would have been what the mainstream audience would have thought of Spider-Man in the 2000s. Raimi's Spider-Man is in High School for, what, 25-30 minutes of the first movie at most, before graduating off screen? I get that Bendis' Ultimate spider-man is to blame for high School Peter taking over in live action, but its always irritated me.

    Spider-Man can be so great and have so many places to grow, but outside of the comics he seems doomed to eternal teen angst, and in the comics he always has to revert to a loveless loser. Its pretty much driven me away from the character, to be honest. I'm excited for No way Home, but only because I still love Raimi's Spider-Man movies and the multiverse concept, not because I give a crap about Holland's teenage Spidey. I want a Into the Spider-Verse sequel, but that movie doesn't have anything to do with a teen Peter and even in that movie my favorite Spider-Men are old loser Peter and Spider-Man Noir (Miles, Gwen, etc are ok, but those two made the movie for me).
     
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    And Raimi's films only had him start in High School to tell his origin story. Parker spent more years in university in the 70s but (and I may be wrong on this), he's been an adult aging between mid-twenties to mid thirties from about 1975 or so to the present.
     
  11. Saul

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    That would be the best of both worlds but I'd think they'd want Tom Holland considering how successful his Spiderman has been.
    Now if they brought back Tobey....
     
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    They don't have much of a choice, unless they de-age him to his appearance in his solo films--but that does not solve the issue since he looked far too old to be a teenage Parker in those films.
     
  13. Mr. Adventure

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    After watching way too many "Bully Maguire" clips on YouTube it's the only way I can imagine him appearing now. You better look out Tom! He's going to put some dirt in your eye...

    Speaking of YouTube

     
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  14. Evil Headhunter

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    Damn, I just saw this video and was on my way to post it!

    Even though I wasn't a fan of that animated show, this was very well done!
     
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    I love the 90s animated series. It needs a proper conclusion!
     
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    When I first started getting into comucs a few years ago, I was a little surprised just how little time he spent in high school. With so many of the recent adaptations putting him in high school, I had assumed he was in high school for pretty much his whole history. That was one of things I liked about the Insomniac game, it focused on an older, established Spidey, who had been at it for a while and had a history with most of his villains, and had already been together with MJ.
     
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  17. Samurai8472

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    This is Alfred Molina's chance to finish his Doc Ock as Tevye performance. Don't mess it up, man!

     
  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    Originally, the plan was to age comic book Parker on a semi-natural timeline, hence the reason he was graduating high school only a few years after his introduction. Once the character was sent to college, Marvel fell into the same trap as other comic companies: slowing down the aging process to maintain the character at what was believed to be his most relatable (and profitable) age range to the readership. Different than DC's solution with new characters based on Golden Age heroes--where they invented the idea of Earth II to explain the existence of said Golden Age heroes not being the same as their Silver Age replacements, Marvel began to tweak and screw with timelines (e.g. the point Parker or Johnny Storm entered college / Richards, Grimm and Fury's service in WWII, etc.), stretching things out so much that even 1970s stories began to lose some historical plausibility due to the characters barely aging.

    With Parker, once he entered college in the mid-1960s, all adaptations would keep him there for decades, from the Grantray-Lawrence Spider-Man cartoon (1967-70), The Amazing Spider-Man live action TV series (1977-79), to Marvel Productions' animated Spider-Man (1981) and Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends (1981-83) and most productions to follow. As an adult character, Parker could sort of "float" around being young (again, being relatable to a target audience), while being an independent adult. That seemed to be Marvel's "perfect" zone for Peter Parker, and generations of fans pretty much accepted that, which is why there are some vocal critics of the MCU version still being in high school beyond his first solo film.
     
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  19. Evil Headhunter

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    Funnily enough, I was one of those who complained (and loudly) about that for the Raimi and Webb films (i.e. I wanted Peter out of school entirely) and yet, I'm not bothered with seeing a young Peter in high school in the MCU. I think it doesn't bother me in this case for two reasons (plus a hope):

    Firstly, because of the nature of how the MCU evolved on screen, it wouldn't make sense to suddenly say Spider-Man had been active in New York City (or even just limited to Queens) this whole time and no one seemed to notice him. It makes more sense to introduce him just as he's getting started out, but played out in a different way because of the way the MCU has operated.

    Secondly, Tom Holland truly looks like the age of the character he's playing. Both Maguire and Garfield were in their late 20s for the first film and Holland is only 25 now and he looks younger than his actual age.

    That being said, I understand the criticisms of doing his first three films in high school. Even I had a problem with that when it was first announced after Homecoming came out. But considering how things have played, I don't mind it so much and for the most part, it's been handled well.

    Lastly, my hope is that we'll actually get to watch Holland grow into the role. A couple of films in college and then maybe even more films beyond that? Holland has recently said he would love to continue playing the character after his contract expires (with No Way Home) and hopefully Feige (and Sony) sees that potential and runs with it.
     
  20. theenglish

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    Holland seems to enjoy the role and I hope that Sony and the MCU keep him around for the duration of the MCU. At some point, he might even become the main focal point of the MCU the way the character was in the comics for decades.