Speculations on Star Trek 3?

[Smellmet]

As a Trek fan, I wouldn't have a problem with the Cardassians at all, but the whole philosophy behind these new movies is to make them appeal to as wider audience as possible and rejuvenate the franchise, so I'd be very surprised if the Klingons don't feature heavily in the next instalment. I'd wager that there's literally millions of people on this planet who have never seen a second of Trek in any iteration that know who the Klingons are.

I'm not saying I'm desperate for a Klingon story (though a nice juicy fleet battle with a few D7 battlecruisers appeals) but, like they used Khan (and I would say the Klingons are far more famous worldwide) in STID, I think Bad Robot would be foolish to not use our ridge-headed friends in a major capacity in ST3, it's just a question of what the story will entail and wether they can write some decent Klingon characters for it.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

One thing we know for sure, Alice Eve won't be seen in her underwear again

That's a good thing. If it doesn't serve the plot, it doesn't belong - and it definitely didn't serve the plot.

For me, that scene was a well acted, brief, humorous aside that made me chuckle.

It worked tremendously well on that level, and certainly got a laugh from theatre goers when I saw it (several times) - both male and female. Whether it serves the plot or not is immaterial, it played perfectly in the overall flow of the film and achieved its goal.

Some great chemistry between Pine and Eve going on there too IMHO.

 

[martok2112]

One thing we know for sure, Alice Eve won't be seen in her underwear again

That's a good thing. If it doesn't serve the plot, it doesn't belong - and it definitely didn't serve the plot.

For me, that scene was a well acted, brief, humorous aside that made me chuckle.

It worked tremendously well on that level, and certainly got a laugh from theatre goers when I saw it (several times) - both male and female. Whether it serves the plot or not is immaterial, it played perfectly in the overall flow of the film and achieved its goal.

Some great chemistry between Pine and Eve going on there too IMHO.

This^ and Smellmet's post before it

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I still just don't get the whole bitching about Alice Eve in her space undies. I mean...it's been goong on since 1966 ...panty flashing in the TOS uniforms...hell, even Joanne Linville gave a nice panty peek in her Romulan uniform. And then there was the sideboob outfits on other guest female characters...the tin-foil bikini on the Treskellion female thrall....jeez.

I am a man who appreciated the hot feminine form. Last time I checked, that wasn't a crime.

 

[Smellmet]

One thing we know for sure, Alice Eve won't be seen in her underwear again

That's a good thing. If it doesn't serve the plot, it doesn't belong - and it definitely didn't serve the plot.

For me, that scene was a well acted, brief, humorous aside that made me chuckle.

It worked tremendously well on that level, and certainly got a laugh from theatre goers when I saw it (several times) - both male and female. Whether it serves the plot or not is immaterial, it played perfectly in the overall flow of the film and achieved its goal.

Some great chemistry between Pine and Eve going on there too IMHO.

I never had a problem with it either, it was a mildly amusing scene that played to Kirks womanising side and sowed the seed for a possible future romance. Yes it didn't advance the plot, but neither does 'starship porn' it's popcorn entertainment.

 

[Ovation]

Personally I'd like to see the Enterprise crew tangle with Cardassians.

The 2009 Trek movie already established firmly that Starfleet has had some contact with Cardassia in the 23rd century (or at least they have in this universe), certainly some degree of trade has taken place, and it just might be cool to see what 23rd century Cardies were really like.

The Cardassians would provide something old and something new both at the same time.

As long as they're not Kardashians, I'd be fine with it.

 

[Captrek]

I still just don't get the whole bitching about Alice Eve in her space undies.

I think the scene would have worked better as the quick throw-away scene you describe, but the excessive use of the image in publicity prevented it from being perceived that way by many fans.

 

[T'Girl]

No matter how much money it makes, someone will try to come up with a way to call it an unqualified "failure".

Iron Man Three made a lot of money last year, was a unqualified failure as a Trek movie.

Kirk (Shatner) says to Rand... "...I had the most amazing dream.."

Suzanne Pleshette regrettably isn't availible to play Rand.

 

[Captrek]

No matter how much money it makes, someone will try to come up with a way to call it an unqualified "failure".

Iron Man Three made a lot of money last year, was a unqualified failure as a Trek movie.

How is it a failure if it wasn't trying to be a Trek movie?

 

[T'Girl]

Question, was Star Ttrek Darkness even trying to be a Star Trek movie?

 

[Franklin]

Question, was Star Ttrek Darkness even trying to be a Star Trek movie?

No, it wasn't. The budget was too big, the FX too state of the art, and the production values were too high. And dare I say, a lot of the acting was too good. The story was also fast-paced and exciting, which at least isn't always Trek.

 

[BillJ]

Question, was Star Ttrek Darkness even trying to be a Star Trek movie?

I think the same question could be fairly asked of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek: First Contact.

 

[Smellmet]

Question, was Star Ttrek Darkness even trying to be a Star Trek movie?

It sure felt like one when I saw it at the cinema, more so than 09

 

[urbandefault]

Question, was Star Ttrek Darkness even trying to be a Star Trek movie?

Let's see ...

Captain Kirk? check.
Mister Spock? check.
A ship called Enterprise? check.

Yup, it was trying to be a Star Trek movie.

 

[Captrek]

It wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision (or Berman and Braga's), if that's what you're asking.

 

[T'Girl]

Let's see ...

Captain Kirk? check.
Mister Spock? check.
A ship called Enterprise? check.

Let's see ...

A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.

A character named Spock who make little attempt to control his emotions and who is openly engaging in a sexual affair with a junior officer. Check.

A ship called Enterprise. Check.

 

[BillJ]

It wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision (or Berman and Braga's), if that's what you're asking.

I'd say it wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision circa 1987. But I think it was pretty faithful to his vision circa 1966.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

It wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision (or Berman and Braga's), if that's what you're asking.

I'd say it wasn't trying to be faithful to Roddenberry's vision circa 1987. But I think it was pretty faithful to his vision circa 1966.

Agreed.

 

[BillJ]

A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.

Who is ten years younger than when we see his prime universe counterpart. Check.

A character named Spock who make little attempt to control his emotions and who is openly engaging in a sexual affair with a junior officer. Check.

Who is also younger than his prime universe counterpart. Check. Who also, apparently, had a fling with a human woman in the late-2250's. Check. Who also was a bit more open with his emotions when he was younger. Check.



You were saying?

 

[Captrek]

A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.

Who is ten years younger than when we see his prime universe counterpart. Check.

And who has lived a very different life. Kind of a Picard/Shinzon thing, though much less extreme.

 

[Smellmet]

A character named Captain Kirk who is significantly different than the character previously seen, Check.

Who is ten years younger than when we see his prime universe counterpart. Check.

And who has lived a very different life. Kind of a Picard/Shinzon thing, though much less extreme.

Nail on the head. Regardless of it's sci fi trappings, TOS always had am old-school hero adventure thing going on as well, and that was always an important part of the series, it was colorful and a bit mad in parts, for me, despite it's faults with some of the writing in the 2 movies, I think JJ Trek has captured that side of it perfectly. The movies have a slight screwbally energy to them that captures TOS in ways I didn't think they would.

Yes they are big-budget action movies, but I see that as the icing on the cake rather than a shame. We've had tons of slow, talky outings, I've secretly always wanted to see Trek given this treatment, even if it is just for a few movies.

Old Trek was on it's arse, it was time for something new for a while, and this comes from an absolutely massive fan of The Motion Picture for crying out loud!

It's breathed new life into an ailing franchise - I know loads of people who have never watched a second of Trek who havd loved the new movies - surely that's a good thing? We can't all stay in this little gang getting old on our own can we?