Specials to Air on BBCA in US

[Peacemaker]

No, they do not.

Let's take this zinger:

I'm sorry you don't get BBCA. If it makes you feel any better, I don't either. But, the fact remains that SciFi treats it like some secondhand afterthought to buffer a slot between Stargate: Canceled and fucking wrestling.

Of course, the fact is that Doctor Who has never, not one time, been treated in such a manner. It's been paired with SJA, Atlantis, SG1, and BSG and various times. It's always been part of SciFi Friday. It's never, not one time, been placed with Wrestling. So, in order to make your point, you had to misrepresent facts.

Here's your argument: Skiffy edits Who to make room for commercials. BBCA does not. That's true. But then, PBS is pretty good about not editing Who. Sure, they edited down TCI, and they'll probably edit down LOTL or shorten the Confidential snippets. I can deal with that. I don't need to see extra footage of the Master dancing to make Dr. Who better. I don't like the commercial edits on Skiffy either...but what matters is ratings. You want Who to succeed in the US? Skiffy is the better choice at present...or pick up your checkbook and donate to your local PBS network.

Does BBCA create a fanbase for the show? Do you have numbers for the number of new Who fans that BBCA is responsible for havng created? I don't think so. So, there goes that plank of your argument. Arguments from silence cut both ways. PBS seems to do a better job of creating new Who fans, because it's PBS stations that have historically called upon the fans / fanclubs to man the phones during Festival. Here, UNCTV has historically done very well in that regard, and has, in fact, been "responsible" for creating a fanbase. So, on that argument, it's PBS that wins, not Skiffy or BBCA.

Your points seem to fall apart under close scrutiny.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

What's all this talk about PBS? Has there been some announcement that nuWho will be on PBS?

 

[wamdue]

I think the mere fact Sci-Fi aired even 1 season of SJA, suggests some commitment to the Whoverse.

 

[Lindley]

BBCA is part of the "Variety tier" for me. That's $2 extra per month. Not a big deal.

 

[Stevil2001]

What's all this talk about PBS? Has there been some announcement that nuWho will be on PBS?

It has been for some time now, though it gets new episodes after Sy Fy, BBCA, and my grant aunt Martia get hold of them.

 

[Kelso]

Well, I'm thrilled that they'll be airing on BBCA.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

What's all this talk about PBS? Has there been some announcement that nuWho will be on PBS?

It has been for some time now, though it gets new episodes after Sy Fy, BBCA, and my grant aunt Martia get hold of them.

Dammit, the PBS around here sucks for anything like this. Do they still show old Who as well?

 

[The]

I'm sorry, are we talking facts? I was speaking of an opinion and using generalizations. However, if you would like to pursue this...

Of course, the fact is that Doctor Who has never, not one time, been treated in such a manner.

Opinion.

It's been paired with SJA, Atlantis, SG1, and BSG and various times. It's always been part of SciFi Friday.

Thus my broad reference to it being shoehorned in Skiffy's Friday night lineup. Doesn't negate how its treated in the slot.

It's never, not one time, been placed with Wrestling.

Says you. I say it has. However, since neither of us have the ability to prove it one way or another, I'm willing to accept we both believe two equally possible scenarios. My scenario supports my opinion, and therefore I use it, just as you use yours. Also, I was using wrestling as a perfect example of SciFi's inherent ignorance of their own nature. Last I checked, there was nothing science-y about the fiction in wrestling.

So, in order to make your point, you had to misrepresent facts.

No facts were given save it was wedged into an SG show and (possibly) wrestling. Instead, examples of my opinion were freely given for you to accept or not.

Here's your argument: Skiffy edits Who to make room for commercials. BBCA does not. That's true. But then, PBS is pretty good about not editing Who. Sure, they edited down TCI, and they'll probably edit down LOTL or shorten the Confidential snippets. I can deal with that. I don't need to see extra footage of the Master dancing to make Dr. Who better.

I'm not certain what PBS has to do with anything, but on the subject of pro or anti editing, I'll slant towards the latter if I have a choice. I prefer getting the entire story as originally presented, not cropped into fifteen minutes so that I can learn about the next airing of Mansquito.

I don't like the commercial edits on Skiffy either...but what matters is ratings. You want Who to succeed in the US? Skiffy is the better choice at present...or pick up your checkbook and donate to your local PBS network.

Funny, Torchwood has no problem getting bang-up ratings on BBCA. Why should Doctor Who fail, then? And how would you define "success" for Who in America? Personally success is being treated as the perfectly equal television show that stands shoulder to shoulder with any American-made series (if not superior to many others). Not shoved in haphazardly as an embarrassing import show.

Does BBCA create a fanbase for the show? Do you have numbers for the number of new Who fans that BBCA is responsible for havng created? I don't think so. So, there goes that plank of your argument.

Not at all. See my previous point. Also, if you have any numbers that counter such a suggestions, I would be interested in seeing how many fanbases SciFi has created.

Arguments from silence cut both ways.

That's very cryptic of you, probably.

PBS seems to do a better job of creating new Who fans, because it's PBS stations that have historically called upon the fans / fanclubs to man the phones during Festival. Here, UNCTV has historically done very well in that regard, and has, in fact, been "responsible" for creating a fanbase. So, on that argument, it's PBS that wins, not Skiffy or BBCA.

If that's your opinion, you have a right to it. And I challenge you to search and find my insult towards PBS when I promote BBCA. This all just seems to come out of left field, I guess. But, if it makes you feel better, I started watching Doctor Who on PBS back in the late-70's, no matter your inexplicable newfound belief in my hatred all things Public Television.

Your points seem to fall apart under close scrutiny.

Yes, I understand that's very important to you...

 

[CommodoreKong]

Good news I guess for people with 56k but I've already seen them. And unless BBC America shows future specials within a week or so of the UK airing I wont be waiting for them either.

 

[Kelso]

^ I've also seen them... but I'll be watching them on TV (repeatedly) and buying the DVDs as well.

 

[CommodoreKong]

^ I've also seen them... but I'll be watching them on TV (repeatedly) and buying the DVDs as well.

Yeah I'll be getting them on DVD, my parents always buy me the new Who DVDs for my birthday or Christmas.

 

[Messianni]

Meh. I've seen episodes on BBCA and SciFi before, all butchered up. I download them when they air in the UK, buy the Reigon 1 DVD's when they come out and have no qualms about doing so. No way in hell am I going to wait six months or more to watch an episode in a cut-up form.

Besides, how am I supposed to discuss them on this forum then?

 

[Peacemaker]

No facts were given save it was wedged into an SG show and (possibly) wrestling. Instead, examples of my opinion were freely given for you to accept or not.

What I did was reply to you on your own level. Now you're dissimulating.

I'm sorry, are we talking facts? I was speaking of an opinion and using generalizations

.

Really? Here is what you originally wrote and it doesn't match what you just wrote

:But, the fact remains that SciFi treats it like some secondhand afterthought to buffer a slot between Stargate: Canceled and fucking wrestling.

In case you can't follow your own words, I've put the important one in bold print for you.

You represented your case as a "fact," not an "opinion." Then you took a dogmatic position that the points you made "still stand." Now, you are backing away from your original argument. I reply to people they way they frame their own "points." If you're willing to concede that what you wrote was mere opinion and not "fact" then I'll gladly take that as an admission that your first argument failed, so you now need to back away from it to rewrite it and call it a "broad reference." No, you made a very specific claim. Skiffy's Friday night lineup is variable, but it always has been variable from the days Farscape was on with Lexx and so on. How do we get from that to it being treated unfairly?

Says you. I say it has.

Since you brought up a pairing between SG: Cancelled and wrestling it's up to you to produce documentation that Who has been placed alongside wrestling. We all know it hasn't.

Also, I was using wrestling as a perfect example of SciFi's inherent ignorance of their own nature. Last I checked, there was nothing science-y about the fiction in wrestling.

What you're doing is drawing an analogy without an argument. I'll agree Wrestling on Skiffy is ridiculously daft, but how does one get from that to the way Doctor Who has been presented/scheduled on Fridays. Wrestling is not a SciFi Friday affair.

Funny, Torchwood has no problem getting bang-up ratings on BBCA.

So what? Once again, we're back to the real, documented fact, that BBCA is in fewer households than Skiffy. The issue, then isn't Torchwood's ratings on BBCA; rather the question is "What would Twood's ratings be if on Skiffy as well?" That's the piece of supporting documentation required to make that plank of your argument stick.

Not shoved in haphazardly as an embarrassing import show.

Backed into a corner, The resorts to a slurry of adjectives. That's not an argument, nor is it an opinion.

Not at all. See my previous point. Also, if you have any numbers that counter such a suggestions, I would be interested in seeing how many fanbases SciFi has created.

That's not necessary for my argument, for I've already admitted that arguments from silence cut both ways... do try to follow along. Rather, I point to what I do know to be true...PBS has renewed it's loyalty to Dr. Who and in so doing I know for a fact it has "actively" created / renewed the existing fanbase.

And I challenge you to search and find my insult towards PBS when I promote BBCA.

I'd challenge you to search and find anything I wrote that says you are insulting PBS or have any "hatred" of it. Can you quote me to that effect? No.

 

[The]

No facts were given save it was wedged into an SG show and (possibly) wrestling. Instead, examples of my opinion were freely given for you to accept or not.

What I did was reply to you on your own level. Now you're dissimulating.

I'm sorry, are we talking facts? I was speaking of an opinion and using generalizations

.

Really? Here is what you originally wrote and it doesn't match what you just wrote

:But, the fact remains that SciFi treats it like some secondhand afterthought to buffer a slot between Stargate: Canceled and fucking wrestling.

In case you can't follow your own words, I've put the important one in bold print for you.

You represented your case as a "fact," not an "opinion." Then you took a dogmatic position that the points you made "still stand." Now, you are backing away from your original argument. I reply to people they way they frame their own "points." If you're willing to concede that what you wrote was mere opinion and not "fact" then I'll gladly take that as an admission that your first argument failed, so you now need to back away from it to rewrite it and call it a "broad reference."

Refer to my original response to your admonishment in this thread. Specifically the final line of the post. The part about the opinion? You must have missed that very obvious, and singled-out line set apart so as to not be missed.

Since you brought up a pairing between SG: Cancelled and wrestling it's up to you to produce documentation that Who has been placed alongside wrestling. We all know it hasn't.

Ummm, if you say so. However, since you don't seem to be able to support you own position concerning whether it was ever aired with wrestling, then your own opinion is simply that.

What you're doing is drawing an analogy without an argument. I'll agree Wrestling on Skiffy is ridiculously daft, but how does one get from that to the way Doctor Who has been presented/scheduled on Fridays. Wrestling is not a SciFi Friday affair.

Has been in the past.

So what? Once again, we're back to the real, documented fact, that BBCA is in fewer households than Skiffy. The issue, then isn't Torchwood's ratings on BBCA; rather the question is "What would Twood's ratings be if on Skiffy as well?" That's the piece of supporting documentation required to make that plank of your argument stick.

Not at all, as my argument has never been it would get higher ratings on BBCA, just treated and presented in a superior manner to SciFi.

Not shoved in haphazardly as an embarrassing import show.

Backed into a corner, The resorts to a slurry of adjectives. That's not an argument, nor is it an opinion.

Uh...who else are you speaking to? And, yes, actually it is an opinion. Dictionary.com: Opinion

... do try to follow along.

Is there a call here to be rude and smug? Calm down, sweety.

Rather, I point to what I do know to be true...PBS has renewed it's loyalty to Dr. Who and in so doing I know for a fact it has "actively" created / renewed the existing fanbase.

Woo-hoo! PBS rocks! Meanwhile, BBCA has "actively" created/renewed the existing fanbase. Also, they've brought some new ones in, just as PBS has done so. Excellent. I mean, none of this has to do with SciFi, and what we were talking about. But, I'm stoked for Public Broadcasting.

And I challenge you to search and find my insult towards PBS when I promote BBCA.

I'd challenge you to search and find anything I wrote that says you are insulting PBS or have any "hatred" of it. Can you quote me to that effect? No.

.....what? Why do you continue to push PBS on me...being that I never brought it up, it has nothing at all to do with what I'm (at least) talking about, and I have never yet denied anything you've said about PBS?
You're far too emotionally involved in this whole thing. You should subscribe to BBCA to help heal your torment.

 

[Messianni]

You're far too emotionally involved in this whole thing. You should subscribe to BBCA to help heal your torment.

But then how will he donate to PBS and be a "Viewers Like You!"

 

[The]

True. It is one or the other...

 

[The]

^ I've also seen them... but I'll be watching them on TV (repeatedly) and buying the DVDs as well.

Yeah, that's pretty much me...

 

[Stevil2001]

What's all this talk about PBS? Has there been some announcement that nuWho will be on PBS?

It has been for some time now, though it gets new episodes after Sy Fy, BBCA, and my grant aunt Martia get hold of them.

Dammit, the PBS around here sucks for anything like this. Do they still show old Who as well?

According to Benjamin Elliot's This Week in Doctor Who, several stations are currently showing or will soon show Series 3. Series 4 rights are now available for purchase, but no one's shown it yet. Very few stations are showing classic Who these days. Cincinnati's PBS affiliate, WCET, was showing it when I left the city this past August, but seems to have dropped it since.

The best source for this info is here: http://www.gallifreyone.com/thisweek.php

 

[tomalak301]

I'm really looking forward to Torchwood this summer. It's been so long since that show was on the air. As for the specials, it's good someone finally in the states picked them up.

 

[Savage Jaw]

...It's just a shame BBCA still doesn't have an HD channel.

Looks like they will in time for Torchwood: Children of Earth and the "Planet of the Dead" Doctor Who special, which was the first episode of Who shot in HD.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/277548-BBCA_Goes_HD_With_Sci_Fi_Stack.php

BBC America launches its high-definition simulcast channel on July 20, stacking the first week with popular science-fiction shows to grab the attention of fans and cable and satellite distributors, according to channel chief Garth Ancier.

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Starting Monday night, July 20, the channel will air five consecutive nights of top-rated sci-fi drama Torchwood. They essentially comprise a season of the show, about an elite team battling with space aliens. Collectively they’re called Torchwood: Children of Earth. At 8 p.m. the first night, the channel will air a behind-scenes special called Inside the Hub, followed by the first Children of Earth hour. Succeeding nights, the previous episode will air at 8 followed by the next Torchwood.


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“Then on Sunday, we’ll have the very first Doctor Who shot in HD,” Ancier said. Doctor Who: Planet of the Dead is one of four newly created hours of the long-running drama that BBC America said last week it’s acquired from the BBC. It premieres at 8 p.m.

The article does say however that availability of BBCA HD will probably be very limited initially.