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Space Battleship Yamato 2202

From what I can gather (still no subtitles or dub), the Martians found a wrecked alien ship on Mars and reserved engineered it as much as they could. Using Helium 3 based fusion engines they built up a small warfleet in the 2160s and went to war with Earth (one assumes this was for independence from the Earth governments, as that is usually why there are wars between Earth and Mars). By 2170 Earth had managed to reverse engineer the Martian ships and designed the Marusame, Isokaze, and Kongo types. The wars lasted for a while, so Earth built the underground cities as shelters for if or when the Martians decide to throw rocks at Earth or attempt orbital bombardments. Earth won the war, but the damage to the partial terraformed Mars would take a while to fix, thus the Martians returned to Earth.

Earth was unable to identify the wrecked alien ship as it was destroyed, either during the Interplanetary Wars or in the war with Gamilas. (it was a Bolar ship).
So they really, really tried to explain every plot hole and inconsistency from the original series!!! Like, how it was possible that an united Earth had a so large fleet ready to fight the Gamilas or how they managed to move the Earth population so fast in underground cities considering that the bombs made the planet almost immediately uninhabitable.
 
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The Saturn launch was lovely…more real space anime please!
If you think you'd enjoy more hard science fiction based anime, I'd recommend the following anime series:

"Planetes - Wikipedia" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetes
The story of Planetes takes place in the near future. Special care was given in Planetes for a very realistic depiction of space and space travel. For instance, when in a weightless environment, the frame count dramatically increases in order to make weightless motion more fluid and realistic. Also, spaceships make no noise in the vacuum of space and astronauts routinely suffer from known space illnesses such as radiation poisoning, decompression sickness, cancer, brittle bones and mental illnesses spawned from isolation in the vacuum of space.

Concepts like momentum in weightlessness are early plot points and are always illustrated naturally. Director Goro Taniguchi stated in the DVD commentary that he learned much about orbital mechanics in the course of making the series. This can be shown in showing specific orbital energy, through changing orbits by applying thrust throughout the series. Even the necessity for the retrieval of space debris that is central to the plot is rooted in the serious and growing problem with space debris today.

The show also works to connect itself to the history of rocketry and space flight. The opening sequence is similar to the television series Star Trek: Enterprise, featuring a montage of the history of space flight from Greek mythology to the "modern" setting outlined in the series. Along the way, animated images of important milestones in space travel like Robert Goddard's early rocket tests, the V-2 rocket, Sputnik 1, Laika the dog, the Vostok spacecraft, Apollo 11, Skylab, Mir, the International Space Station and the Space Shuttle Endeavour and other milestones are displayed. References to early pioneers in rocketry like Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, Robert H. Goddard, Wernher von Braun and Hermann Oberth are also made regularly.

There's both a U.S. made English subtitled version as well as an English dubbed version available.

(Sorry to do a small sidetrack here but I'm always interested in letting others know the various types of Japanese anime available if they're interested.) :)
 
That is the one thing I’ve noticed, at least going back to 2199. They really tried to figure out many, if not all, the oddities generated by the original and, yes, plug those holes to make a more cohesive, intelligent, story without killing the original premise. I personally loved 2199 and always held it as the gold-standard on how to do a franchise reboot without pissing off over half the original fan base (like what Star Trek was perceived to have done back in 2009 for example).

Ark of Stars was an interesting experiment, but not terribly necessary, IMO. Just a cool little side-story.

2202, though, I’m kind of on the fence with. The time distortion shipyard was a neat concept that quite adeptly explained how Earth was able to build such an enormous (albeit doomed) fleet so quickly after fixing the planet with the Cosmo DNA in only a mere two years, but I really don’t like what they did with the Gatlatans. That whole clone/love thing was just a bit off to me, and I REALLY don’t like how they forced Kato into becoming a saboteur in exchange for his son’s cure. That was a cruel fate for him. It was almost a character assassination.

I’m hoping they get back to a more 2199 feel for this next new upcoming series.
 
In the original version of the story, (well at least the Star Blazers dub for it) the backstory suggested that the Gamilas came first in the late 21st century on a scouting mission to find a new world, and that over the course of a century, there has been sporadic battles with the aliens as they sent more forces to first build up a base on Pluto, and later to attempt to invade Earth. Through this time Earth would conduct costly missions to get their hands on Gamilas tech to reverse engineer, leading to the the fleet of ships seen at the Battle of Pluto. However it was suggested that while the Earth ships were inferior and they never managed to get all the parts needed to build a wave motion engine, they could at least somewhat hold there own from time to time (the war lasting decades with the newer ships). Leading to Dessler finally having enough and ordering the Planet Bombing, since it would be impossible to launch an invasion with the Earth as it was. The Underground cities are built. The Earth fleets were spent trying to take out the Planet Bombs and the base at Pluto over the course of the 2190s, with the Battle of Pluto being the last attempt made. It was fortunate that Starsha had set a message of hope that day, or else Earth would have died the following year.

For other versions of the story, The Gamilas come suddenly in the 2190s. Start Planet Bombing within a few years and the underground cities are build. Earth has basically no chance and loses ships all the way to the last battle, when suddenly a message from Iscandar arrives.

But Yamato 2199? Earth was a peace until Mars rose up in revolution. New warships were needed to fight Mars and a long series of Interplanetary Wars happen in the 2160s to 2180s (Yamamoto was I think three years old when the last war ended and she moved to Earth) The Underground Cities build in case of Martian attacks. An enlarged Yamato was built in the 2140s as a symbol of humanities willingness to not fight itself on Earth every again..and was sunk peacefully, Japan's pride being set to rest. Gamilas arrives in 2191 and Earth shoots first (though this is described as a Gamilas tactic to justify its aggression) leading to a war Earth cannot win, and can barely do meaningful damage to the enemy ships with upgraded versions of their anti-Martian fleets. But Starsha sent both of her sisters to Earth. On to give them hope and plans for a new wave motion engine. And the second to bring a critical part to Earth that they would not be able to manufacture in time (if at all). Thus giving the Battle of Pluto a meaning as a distraction, to pull the Gamilas blockade of the system away in order for Sasha to get through at a great loss of life and materials. Though given the combat chatter, it seems like the humans expected their weapons to work at the closer ranges, but sadly they bounced just like at Mars. The Gamilas increased the armor coating on their ships after the brutal shock cannon attacks at Mars. The wreck of the 2140s Yamato is used first as part of Project Izumo to build an escape ship for humanity, but the wave motion engine plans and the message of hope from Starsha shift the plan to a quest to save Earth. Izumo is cancelled and Project Yamato replaces it by giving the ship back its old name...and at the time of its 2145 sinking...a message of hope for humanity.
 
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2202, though, I’m kind of on the fence with. The time distortion shipyard was a neat concept that quite adeptly explained how Earth was able to build such an enormous (albeit doomed) fleet so quickly after fixing the planet with the Cosmo DNA in only a mere two years, but I really don’t like what they did with the Gatlatans. That whole clone/love thing was just a bit off to me, and I REALLY don’t like how they forced Kato into becoming a saboteur in exchange for his son’s cure. That was a cruel fate for him. It was almost a character assassination.

I was surprised to see that my local library had both 2199 and 2202 available for check-out so I re-watched them this past weekend. I agree that 2199 still holds up, but there's something about 2202 that feels 'off'.

You're right about the 'time fault' - however, I think Kodai should have known sooner that something was up; I mean the first episode shows dozens of Kongos, Murasame and Isokaze class vessels participating alongside Gamilas ships in attacking Gatlatans. That many ships (even though not wave-motion equipped) could not have been built that quickly so soon after the Yamato returned to Earth. There's just not enough time and resources. I know it's supposed to be a great visual, but once you start thinking about it, it doesn't hold up.

Also, IMO, Ryu Hikikata contributed next to nothing by being on the Yamato. For those of us used to seeing him on the bridge of the Andromeda in the original series leading the EDF against the Gatlatans at Saturn, his presence on the Yamato takes away from and hinders/hampers Kodai's growth as acting Captain that he had gained in 2199 and 'Ark of the Stars'.
 
You're right about the 'time fault' - however, I think Kodai should have known sooner that something was up;
While every Yamato iteration depicted Kodai as brave, tactical adept and a person of moral integrity, he never exactly struck me as "bright"...
 
Yeah, he's really just kind of a young kid who got sucked up into a wild life-or-death ride with his friend Shima. From the original timeline, I would say that Kodai finally came into his own around Final Yamato. In Yamato: Resurrection, he was much older and, of course, wiser, but I prefer to ignore the events of that movie. I really didn't like it, particularly the hyper-linear (and hyper-boring) Sid Mead-inspired ships designs they lifted from Yamato 2520 for it, plus the not-so-subtle political undertones.
 
Well, he had a lot of legal troubles preceding the production. Wiki explains them here. So he was already on a bit of a tight rope with limited finances and loss of general personal credibility. He died a year or two later, after Resurrection's release, permanently closing the book on the "Nish" timeline. His former partner in Yamato, Leiji Matsumoto, sort-of split off to do his own parallel universe projects, like Great Yamato/Great Galaxy (the name changed due to a copyright/trademark lawsuit between him and Nishizaki).

To cite a Western analogue, these two were like David Gilmour and Roger Waters from Pink Floyd, going after each other for years for the rights to certain songs from the parent group.

It really was all quite a mess. The current producers of 2199+ wisely waited for all the dust to clear from the previous generation's feuding and then produced their own new unified vision, which I think personally kicks ass. :)
 
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This thought came to me this morning and I wanted to get it out before I forgot, so apologies if it seems a little jumbled.

What if Knox (sorry can't remember his Japanese name) was the one to sabotage the wave motion engine and not Kato?

It had already been established that Knox was a clone (even though he didn't know it yet), so why not make him a 'sleeper agent' as well?

Kato is offered the cure to the planet bomb sickness in exchange for shutting off the wave motion engine and he refuses, even though he know it might save his son; so Zordar activates Knox and has him do the work instead.

How this changes the way Zordar offers the cure to the planet bomb sickness, I haven't figured out; but the revelation that Knox is a sleeper agent would be a lot more dramatic.

Now Knox has a better reason to sacrifice himself at the end in the assault on the Comet Empire and Kato can either live or die heroically knowing he did the right thing by refusing the cure.
 
Yes!!! I like that. Adult anime is replete with honor-redemption stories just like that, the sleeper agent twist adds a unique twist to the tragic nature of an otherwise heroic character. I definitely think that would have worked better. I'm at least glad they didn't have that smarmy gray-shirt security officer still hanging around to do the sabotage - would have been way too flippin' obvious. Saito (I think that was Knox's Japanese name) would have been the perfect fit for that scenario.
 
It is, in multiple locations like CD Japan and Amazon.co.jp, but no English subs or dubs available yet. Japanese only. Took a while for it to happen with 2199 ans 2202, but eventually I think it was Funimation that got the rights to it and did the translations for re-sale in the west. We'll probably need to wait at least a year for that to happen, sadly. And as far as I can tell, Voyager Entertainment has completely checked out. They were the ones who did everything Yamato stateside and then all of a sudden they stopped everything back in 2014. It was really weird.

OurStarBlazers.com has all the latest news about Age of Yamato, as well as the new forthcoming 2205 series.
 
It is, in multiple locations like CD Japan and Amazon.co.jp, but no English subs or dubs available yet. Japanese only. Took a while for it to happen with 2199 ans 2202, but eventually I think it was Funimation that got the rights to it and did the translations for re-sale in the west. We'll probably need to wait at least a year for that to happen, sadly. And as far as I can tell, Voyager Entertainment has completely checked out. They were the ones who did everything Yamato stateside and then all of a sudden they stopped everything back in 2014. It was really weird.

OurStarBlazers.com has all the latest news about Age of Yamato, as well as the new forthcoming 2205 series.
Actually the Japanese discs of Space Battleship Yamato 2199 had an English subtitled track. I know because they were listed as such on CD Japan; and I I'm such a Yamato fan I figured it was worth it to get original Japanese discs direct from the source if they in fact did have a English subtitle track.

For me it was expensive but worth it because I know that until Funimation got the rights years later, Voyager Entertainment failed to release the final four volumes.
 
There have been garage kits in Japan for that ship, and Musashi Enterprises did a miniature for their table top game a few years back.
 
Bandai's YouTube channel is posting short interviews with the some of the voice cast and the new characters they'll be playing. Too bad I can understand Japanese as it's not subtitled.
 
https://mantan-web.jp/article/20211015dog00m200078000c.html

Schematics for the Asuka and Hyuga!
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I see that one has its wave motion gun muzzle closed off. Most likely that's the one that's the one going to be lost in action.
 
Asuka, (DAOE-01) the support carrier, may have a knock off version of the Cosmo Reverse in it instead of a wave motion gun. That's Captain Yuki Mori's ship. And it is also filling in the roll of assault ship, as it carries the marines and their deployment craft.

Hyuga, (DCV-01) the light carrier, has a wave motion gun. This is Captain Sanada's ship. It hosts a conglomorate of 40 AU-19 units to manage air traffic, maintenance, and gunnery. The ship can carry 64 fighters, but for a training mission, only has 16 Cosmo Tiger II and 16 Cosmo Python, a new fighter-bomber that is being evaluated.

Both were built from incomplete automated Dreadnoughts left over when the Time Fault was collapsed. Post-Time Fault, Earth is attempting to build its fleet to reflect its smaller position in the galaxy.
 
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