Soo did the expanse really happen

[Tcsfan]

Like all the star trek fit together because on tng I hear them mention archer and kirk in enter prise the expance happend did they find the Aline's that did it and stop them did the expance happen on a alternative time line because something this emportant should be mentiond but it is not





I don't know if I am making any sence

 

[Timo]

Plenty of big things happened in TOS that were never mentioned again in the later shows. Probably goes to show that just about every starship gets to do impressive things, and that these pile up and saturate the history books so that very few things really stand out after a century or two.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes it "happened" in Trek's history, even though it never gets mentioned in the prior shows or movies.

It's a TV show. Stuff gets rewritten and bits get added to the backstory all the time.

 

[REDrake]

Just like the Temporal Cold War. They messed up way too many times with time travel in previous shows.
Trials and Tribble-ations is evidence on that regard.

 

[Timo]

In ENT, this vast anomaly appeared to significantly affect the starfaring of humans, Vulcans and Klingons. In the post-ENT shows, no such anomaly appeared to exist. So full points for consistency when ENT shows our heroes removing the anomaly!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Captain Rob]

If my memory serves me correct. I think that the Expanse collapsed and returned to normal space with the destruction of the sphere network.

 

[Tom]

Enterprise is in an altered timeline (from ToS,TNG etc..) do to the events in First Contact, well it a popular theory anyways.

 

[Mach5]

I don't know if I am making any sence

Surprisingly, you do.

Brotip: install a spell checker in your browser. It won't teach you English, but it'll at least help your fellow board users decipher your posts.

Enterprise is in an altered timeline (from ToS,TNG etc..) do to the events in First Contact, well it a popular theory anyways.

If you give it any serious thought (while keeping it "in-universe", of course), that theory is the only one that makes sense, really. And it's perfectly fine, because it doesn't devalue ENT in any way.

Archer may not be Kirk-Prime's childhood hero, but it sure as hell is nu-Kirk's.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Enterprise is in an altered timeline (from ToS,TNG etc..) do to the events in First Contact, well it a popular theory anyways.

If you give it any serious thought (while keeping it "in-universe", of course), that theory is the only one that makes sense, really. And it's perfectly fine, because it doesn't devalue ENT in any way.

Archer may not be Kirk-Prime's childhood hero, but it sure as hell is nu-Kirk's.

If you gave it serious thought, you'd not be able to ignore the obvious links in "In a Mirror, Darkly" (detailed NX-01 crew service records in the computer of the USS Defiant from "The Tholan Web") and "These Are the Voyages" (obvious crossover to "The Pegasus")

There are numerous more subtle examples too - the smooth headed Klingons from TOS can only exist because of the Augment incident. The Delphic Expanse is not seen in any other Trek because Enterprise destroyed the sphere network (we see how it would have expanded otherside in "Azati Prime")

Flaws and retcons aside (of which there are many), Enterprise is clearly supposed to be the past of The Original Series, The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager. And since the new timeline diverges in 2233, it's the past of that, too.

 

[Mach5]

If you gave it serious thought, you'd not be able to ignore the obvious links in "In a Mirror, Darkly" (detailed NX-01 crew service records in the computer of the USS Defiant from "The Tholan Web")

We didn't get that much detail, though.

Hoshi Sato. Comm. Officer on Starfleet's first warp five ship. In her late thirties, she created the linguacode translation matrix.

Son of famed warp specialist Henry Archer, Jonathan was appointed Captain of Starfleet's first warp five ship. His name is among the most recognised in the Federation. He earned an impressive list of commendations during his career. Historians called him the greatest explorer of the twenty second century. Two planets were named after him.

This doesn't tell us very much about the "TOS universe" Archer and Sato. We only learn that they were both serving on the first warp 5 ship that might not have even been the Enterprise. Sure, it mentions them both becoming famous, but for WHAT exactly? No clue, really. Except for Hoshi, who did her thing later in her life.

"These Are the Voyages" (obvious crossover to "The Pegasus")

TATV fits into "The Pegasus" like an elephant into a Volswagen.

 

[horatio83]

ENT was never meant to play in a second timeline or whatever and some perfectly normal so called "continuity errors" certainly do not require such a construct.

 

[Mach5]

so called "continuity errors"

There are entire legions of Trek purists who see ENT as one big "continuity error".

 

[F. King Daniel]

Are there really leigons? Or just a few VERY LOUD discontents? I think you'll find most people don't care. And a few of the ENT haters even did a 180 and declared it "true" and "pure" Star Trek when JJ's movie came along!

I'm as bigger Trekkie as can be. But I understand that the only way ANY Trek fits together is with broad strokes. Voyager's radically slower warp drive compared to the other series'. The Original Series stating antimatter could destroy a universe, before downgrading it to common starship fuel. The neutral zone going from being so far out there was no communication with Starfleet in "The Neutral Zone" to being a two minute warp jump away in "Star Trek First Contact"

 

[Mach5]

I'm as bigger Trekkie as can be. But I understand that the only way ANY Trek fits together is with broad strokes. Voyager's radically slower warp drive compared to the other series'. The Original Series stating antimatter could destroy a universe, before downgrading it to common starship fuel. The neutral zone going from being so far out there was no communication with Starfleet in "The Neutral Zone" to being a two minute warp jump away in "Star Trek First Contact"

I wouldn't call any of those "continuity errors". Those are just goofs that mostly go unnoticed.

BTW, Voyager's warp drive proved to be incredibly fast at times, even at lower warp factors.

KIM: They're dead in the water. about 5.2 light years from here.
JANEWAY: Mr Paris, set a course for their position. Warp two. [cut]
JANEWAY: Slow to impulse. On screen.

No writer ever cared about distances and velocities, and barely a few Trekkies cared either... Before JJ took over, when suddenly a short ride to Vulcan became an unbearable, embarrassing, unworthy-of-the-name-Star-Trek PLOT HOLE!

 

[lurok]

TATV fits into "The Pegasus" like an elephant into a Volkswagen.

best line of the day.

 

[REDrake]

Enterprise was a show which IMO was killed by Trekkie overzealous fans (the ones that usually attend klingon weddings and such). They wanted another UFP show placed after Voyager or DS9. A prequel was not in their minds so they rather enjoyed bashing everything about the show. They did got their wish as Ent was cancelled and they were left with no Star Trek at all. I truly hope they are quite happy now with their accomplishment.
I for one enjoy Enterprise as much as I enjoy TOS. I don't really care of the hypothetical distance between Earth and Qo'nos or the presence of Ferengi and Borg so early on. I enjoy the show for its own merits.

 

[Timo]

^^You can't fault him for lack of trying.

http://www.d0wn.com/wp-content/uploads/Elephant_wv_polo-640x449.jpg

Timo Saloniemi

 

[JarodRussell]

TATV fits into "The Pegasus" like an elephant into a Volkswagen.

best line of the day.

 

[Sindatur]

Enterprise was a show which IMO was killed by Trekkie overzealous fans (the ones that usually attend klingon weddings and such). They wanted another UFP show placed after Voyager or DS9. A prequel was not in their minds so they rather enjoyed bashing everything about the show. They did got their wish as Ent was cancelled and they were left with no Star Trek at all. I truly hope they are quite happy now with their accomplishment.
I for one enjoy Enterprise as much as I enjoy TOS. I don't really care of the hypothetical distance between Earth and Qo'nos or the presence of Ferengi and Borg so early on. I enjoy the show for its own merits.

I don't think it's so much they wanted a continuation, and not a prequel, many hardcore fans were excited about the Prequel idea when it was first announced. The problem was, that "prequel" put a preconceived notion of what Enterprise S4 became. When S1 and S2 offered something different, then that preconceived notion, many folks bailed, and when S4 finally did present that preconceived version, it was too late, the horse was already outside the barn.

That preceonceived notion, I believe definitely affected my viewing enjoyment in first run. When I rewatched the whole Series recently, without my preconceived notions, I actually enjoyed most of it

 

[That Weirdo In The Corner]

TATV fits into "The Pegasus" like an elephant into a Volkswagen.

best line of the day.

I think the Elephant would fit.