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Tom Cruise definitely does do the stunts in the M:I movies. I've seen plenty of raw behind the scenes footage of the prep and filming of quite a few of them. Granted, I think there are times where there are probably safety lines and things like that we aren't seeing, but he did definitely climb up the side of the Burj Khalifa, hang off the wing of a bi-plane, and do a HALO jump.
 
JD said:
Tom Cruise definitely does do the stunts in the M:I movies. I've seen plenty of raw behind the scenes footage of the prep and filming of quite a few of them. Granted, I think there are times where there are probably safety lines and things like that we aren't seeing, but he did definitely climb up the side of the Burj Khalifa, hang off the wing of a bi-plane, and do a HALO jump.
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Of course he did, but that's kind of my point. There have always been actors who did their own stunts, but it seems to me that it's come to be more expected this century than it was before. Generally the actors who did their own stunts were exceptions to the rule, people who already had the requisite physical skills, but The Matrix drew notice for putting its lead actors through weeks or months of extensive physical training so that all of them could do their own stunts and martial arts even if they didn't already have the training beforehand. And it seemed to me that that became more of a widespread practice on subsequent movies. I'm not talking about people like Cruise, who would've done it anyway, but about the wider industry and how the expectations have shifted, so that what would once have been an occasional exception became more of an expected norm.

Indeed, maybe that's part of why Cruise feels the need to push himself so far to do really big marquee stunts in his movies -- because the baseline expectation of actors' ability to do their own stunts has risen to a higher level, so he has to challenge himself to do even bigger stunts so it's still exceptional.
 
JD said:
Tom Cruise definitely does do the stunts in the M:I movies. I've seen plenty of raw behind the scenes footage of the prep and filming of quite a few of them. Granted, I think there are times where there are probably safety lines and things like that we aren't seeing, but he did definitely climb up the side of the Burj Khalifa, hang off the wing of a bi-plane, and do a HALO jump.
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So if they are even using CGI in the behind-the-scenes footage?
 
oktay said:
So if they are even using CGI in the behind-the-scenes footage?
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Why the hell would they do that? The whole point is to show how it was really done. I mean, the difference is obvious -- the behind-the-scenes footage shows the real locations, jump ramps, etc. that the final movies painted out with CGI.

Indeed, that was the problem with the HALO jump sequence in Fallout -- they did the stunt for real, but the final movie scene replaced the entire background with a digital environment, which pretty much defeated the purpose of doing it for real. (Also there's the fact that it made no story sense, since a HALO jump is something you do to get past an enemy's radar and artillery, but they did it to infiltrate a party in the middle of Paris.)
 
And then they also replaced most of the frame for the bike jump in Dead Reckoning, and the train crash too...

"We did it for real" doesn't mean shit these days.
 
"Only" still covered most of the frame for a chunk of it.

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The amount lessens as the shot progresses and we leave the fake ground behind.
 
oktay said:
So if they are even using CGI in the behind-the-scenes footage?
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No, that would completely defeat the whole point of it being behind the scenes footage.
Christopher said:
Indeed, that was the problem with the HALO jump sequence in Fallout -- they did the stunt for real, but the final movie scene replaced the entire background with a digital environment, which pretty much defeated the purpose of doing it for real. (Also there's the fact that it made no story sense, since a HALO jump is something you do to get past an enemy's radar and artillery, but they did it to infiltrate a party in the middle of Paris.)
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Tosk said:
And then they also replaced most of the frame for the bike jump in Dead Reckoning, and the train crash too...

"We did it for real" doesn't mean shit these days.
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I hadn't heard about either of those, but the important part, Cruise physically doing the stunts, was real and that's the important part.
 
Yes, apparently there was CGI involved but Tom Cruise still did the stuff we saw him do on screen, that's all that matters. He did the stunts,
 
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