Sons Of Mogh

[Nakita Akita]

Worf's Brother is pretty darned annoying.
This is the episode where Kurn wants Worf to kill him, because-dishonor.

Kurn is annoying from the minute we have to see him.
His voice is all hiss sounding. It's annoying.
I might not want to stab him like Worf is okay with doing, but I would be willing to shoot him out an airlock.
They should have had him fight with Worf and 'accidentally' fall out the airlock, that way Worf wouldn't get in trouble.
Then they could have done the episode about something else more interesting.
This is one of my least tolerated episodes.
Is it just me or is Kurn worthy of death or a punch in face, or a one way trip
To the Gamma Quadrant?

 

[JesterFace]

Kurn was an interesting character in TNG.
Then DS9 ruined that.
I don't like what DS9 did to him.
When watching TNG I just don't think what happened to him later during DS9. TNG episodes 'Sins of the Father' and 'Redemption 1&2' are much better when you ignore this silly story.

 

[Qonundrum]

Worf's and Sisko's sides of the story were dramatically interesting, but I didn't care for the sci-fi cliche of Kurn's mind wipe. It's right up there with TNG "Ethics" and giving Worf multiple spinal cord couplers solely so that Crusher's soapbox could be the highest one.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

People who are complaining about

Spoiler: Picard Spoiler

Picard’s handling of Icheb and Hugh

forgot about Sons Of Mogh and Sons and Daughters.

 

[Nakita Akita]

People who are complaining about

Spoiler: Picard Spoiler

Picard’s handling of Icheb and Hugh

forgot about Sons Of Mogh and Sons and Daughters.

But it different if The Picard does something.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

I thought Tony Todd overdid it for Kurn's DS9 foray.
EV-ER-EEE-THEEEENG he SEDDDD sounded like THIIIIIIIISSSSSS! And considering how much talking Kurn did in this episode, it got old real quick.
Kurn's supposed to be this alpha plus plus Klingon, more typically Klingon than Worf, yet he expresses his emotions way more than Worf. I have no problem with this guy being depicted as wanting to end his life for the purpose of the story, but be original about it, or inline with how a Klingon might express depression.
Have him pretty much act the same, but talk far less, and have it be Worf that has to be the one to express his thoughts and emotions in order to help or at least relate to Kurn. Have it be Worf's human upbringing that helps Kurn better communicate and understand his emotions. And then have Kurn lash out at Worf, blaming his brothers upbringing, his human weakness, that it makes him sick, and that it's the root cause of their families dishonor. The have that question Worf's own beliefs, where he came to believe that his unique upbringing and time on the Enterprise actually made him a better person, and a better Klingon, where now, it's ultimately led to his family's ruin and his brother's downward spiral.

I think this episode could have been a lot better and the conflict could have been played up so much better.

 

[Farscape One]

I don't think we've ever seen a depressed Klingon before Kurn in "SONS OF MOGH". At least, not one who grew up in the Empire.

To give Tony Todd credit, he was working in uncharted territory, for himself and the writers. We don't really know how a Klingon would be when faced with...

1. The shaming of your entire family.
2. Losing ALL your land, property, and ships.
3. Being ejected from the High Council, publicly.

We've always seen Klingons as very robust and over the top in almost everything. It's not a stretch to see the emoting and showing of his depression be equally great. I never had a problem with how he performed his scenes.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

The background on Worf and his noble family was portrayed a little spotty, IMO.
Worf was orphaned and raised by a human Starfleet officer and his wife. He was raised on Earth, or within the Federation. It makes sense that he, a Klingon, would join Starfleet.
But then you find out that he had a brother whose identity was hidden from everyone. He was raised by a friend of the family. Okay, makes sense. Kurn and Worf had no one else.
But then we find out that Alexander has cousins on the homeworld. From who? I though Worf had no family. But apparently Worf has uncles or aunts or cousions on Kronos. So...why wasn't he given to them? Wouldn't they want their nephew to be raised by family, by fellow Klingons on his homeworld? Why would they just let some random Starfleet officer, a human, raise their brother or sister's son? And why wouldn't Kurn, who was ON Kronos, be raised by extended family?
And if Mogh was dead, I'm assuming there was no land, or ships because if there was, who was managing it while Worf was growing up and in Starfleet? It's a family thing right?
And suddenly we find out that Worf and Kurn are part of this illustrious family who had land, ships, political ties...where was all this when Worf was on Earth and on the Enterprise?
Considering that Kurn lived his whole life hiding his true identity, and saw his own brother live through the dishonor and discommendation, and regain his honor, I can't see Kurn being pessimistic. Plus, Duras can't live forever.
Didn't Martok become the leader or chancellor of Kronos? Shoot, they could've waited it out, and Martok could have given Worf and Kurn back their family honor.

 

[Paul755]

I don’t think waiting out Gowron was an option. Kurn was determined to die.

 

[Nakita Akita]

Kurn could have gone out into wide wide space and been a great soldier of fortune.

 

[Timo]

I don't think we've ever seen a depressed Klingon before Kurn in "SONS OF MOGH".

We got sort of the opposite in "A Matter of Honor": a Klingon whose father brought dishonor to the family gave us the stereotype of a warrior who is all work, cares not one iota for his family, shows little emotion, and forges his own path.

Kurn could have gone that way, too. Except he lost more. And he had already tried the self-denial route, so it makes plenty of sense that he would not go there again.

We've always seen Klingons as very robust and over the top in almost everything. It's not a stretch to see the emoting and showing of his depression be equally great. I never had a problem with how he performed his scenes.

I don't disagree with the OP that Kurn's hyper-annoying here. But certainly he's distinct from how he used to be, which is pretty much the point. And if the interpreting is Todd's doing, all the more credit to him. Although I gather the writer already gave the pointers to the director, and Todd just did his professional executing.

I gather the House of Mogh was a mighty one originally, but when defeated, was basically swallowed by the House of Duras. The wealth, land, military hardware and political seats are still there, they just happen to belong to Duras' surviving estate. And as we know, matters can get complicated there: the Sisters' grasp of the fortunes may have been a precarious one, forcing them to maneuver with bastard sons and the like.

With Duras killed and the Sisters brought down low, and with Worf buddies with Gowron, parts of the wealth could simply have been returned to the House that had suddenly un-dishonored and un-disbanded itself. And with Worf again falling in disfavor, the reverse would again happen. But the individual farms and factories and Birds of Prey would not cease to exist as such, and many would be earmarked with the presence of potentially loyalist personnel; there would be no mistaking about the return address for IKS Rotarran when the time to transfer ownership next came.

Mogh may well have had siblings who fell with the House, scattering this way and that, founding their own Houses or merging with existing ones. Some may have stayed with the wealth and become part of the House of Duras. So there would be cousins for Alexander all right, just not from a single happy House. I mean, most Houses probably aren't.

Timo Saloniemi