Something silly in 'Aquiel'

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  1. JesterFace

    JesterFace Fleet Captain Commodore

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    This makes me wonder when I watch this episode, towards the end Aquiel threatens to leave and starts to pack her things. But... where was she going to go and HOW? Was she a little bit childish in believing she could escape from the Enterprise somehow? Or... maybe she wasn't thinking straight in the heat of the moment.
     
  2. Maurice

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    She's not the only one not thinking straight. This belongs in the TNG forum, not General Trek. :D
     
  3. JesterFace

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    WHOOPS, wrong section, this should've gone to the TNG forum, if there's someone who can move it there, please do so. I thought I was there when posting this...
     
  4. JirinPanthosa

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    She was in a mindset of panic at the time.
     
  5. Granola Gwen

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    She didn't follow orders in the first place from what I remember, so her mind track was probably messed up in general.
     
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    Steal a shuttle, works for everyone else.
     
  7. Karzak

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    The whole episode is a damn mess.
     
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  11. Green Shirt

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    Yeah, one of the few eps that never got a second watching from me. :barf:
     
  12. JesterFace

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    For me it's hard to understand the hate towards this episode, for me it has a special story. It was the first episode I watched after I got my very first TNG VHS tape in the late 90s. So, maybe I can't unlike it... but still, it's not bad.
     
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  15. Forbin

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    The silliest thing for me was that they went through all the trouble of making her an alien with a funny forehead, then everything she did and said, and every way she acted, screamed "I'm a young American girl." If she was supposed to be non-Terran, write her so she doesn't sound like it's a scene from Clueless.
     
  16. Timo

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    How does one write "alien"? All of Star Trek is just people in funny costumes and (budgets allowing) makeup. That's sorta the point, too.

    Aquiel already stole a shuttle in the episode (or a bit before the start of the episode, to be accurate), so there'd be an obvious pattern. Although they never called that stealing, perhaps because it was "her" shuttle to begin with. They did call it theft when Lt Hickman made use of a shuttle in "Identity Crisis", but we got no indication how Hickman got that craft.

    Why wouldn't there be regular flights off the E-D? Our heroes always come and go, supposedly aboard shuttles or unseen more versatile courier craft. And Aquiel wasn't under arrest at that point or anything. Sure, she was their prime suspect, but they never actually told her to stick around. And why should they? Getting her back from the Klingons worked out just fine!

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  17. Forbin

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    Using something no Star Trek writer seemed to have during the TNG years - a fucking imagination.

    Yep, just screw imagination altogether. Who needs it.
     
  18. Timo

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    More to the point, who's got it? There are no aliens elsewhere in Star Trek, either, just somewhat monomaniacal humans: some are uptight about emotions, others go honor this honor that, yet others have taken snobbery to whole new heights with a floating city, yet others are villains of various simplistic sorts. Both because that's the point, discussing human traits through "alien" characters and situations, and because humans really can't come up with much better.

    After all, all the bases are already covered by the seven billion of us. Aquiel would have ended up representing one of the stereotypes anyway. Heck, even a bona fide BEM from outer space would fit one of those. Or then be too alien to be recognizable at all, and hence poor material for a TV show.

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  19. jimbotron

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    It's like they thought "I really like The Thing, let's do something like that. Oh, and LeVar has been bugging me for another episode with a love interest. Oh, and dogs, everyone loves dogs."

    It was still not the worst thing Braga and Moore wrote together. That would be Generations.
     
  20. Timo

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    What amazes me is the level of trouble they went into to create implausible whodunnit elements.

    The forensics baffle the mind: for the first time, a phaser leaves clearly visible remains of the victim, and it's stated that a high setting (level ten is two steps above make-disappear-entirely!) would have to be sustained for ages to achieve that. And then you have to cut the puddle from the floor, rather than scan it with a tricorder! And still you learn nothing useful.

    The reviewing of logs is also painfully inefficient and unprofessional. It could have been done better in the 1980s, long before expert programs that could search for key phrases and other cues. At the time of the airing, it already looked archaic and anachronistic.

    And what happened to all that "gunpowder residue in your hands" type analysis on who really fired the phaser, to internal surveillance logs on personnel movements, to futuristic lie detectors (hell, LaForge once claimed he was one!)?

    In this episode, our heroes deal with the mystery of the week as a criminal/forensic one from the start. They generally don't, as space is full of mysteries with no criminal element to it, and whodunnits are statistically rare. But here they do tackle the issue, and fumble big time. As already said, they don't interrogate their suspects, they don't limit their movements, they don't appoint investigators or require those to share findings. Worf in particular is massively useless here, even though this could be his moment to shine without unduly endangering the drama.

    Timo Saloniemi