Someone who enjoyed Star Trek XI

[Itisnotlogical]

I thought it was okay. Definitely not a smasher like First Contact, but not as bad as TMP (which was still kind of okay IMO). Good thing I've built a bomb shelter for whenever I get the urge to post opinions that demonstrate my abilities of reasoning and original thought... I've had to reinforce it since I joined Youtube though

 

[G2309]

Nice page. I particularly liked:

The uniforms

Did anyone honestly think they could pull off the original costumes in a way that didn’t look cheap and unbelievable on the big screen?

Yeah I thought they did an amazing job with it. I also lie the way the Kelvin uniforms were like the cage pilot.

I thought it was okay. Definitely not a smasher like First Contact, but not as bad as TMP (which was still kind of okay IMO). Good thing I've built a bomb shelter for whenever I get the urge to post opinions that demonstrate my abilities of reasoning and original thought... I've had to reinforce it since I joined Youtube though

I rewatched TMP yesterday for the first time in years. There's a huge difference in the way the films are paced. I think modern films can miss the longer cenes sometimes (though not as long as tmp)
If anyone thinks star trek xi was too dominated by special effects then watch this film. I also prefer the new Enterprise bridge. It looks dull in tmp its like watching it in black and white.

Ryan8 I agree majel Barrett stayed faithful to Trek throughout everything, but I do think Nimoy would have said if he didn't like the movie. He's always come across very genuine. I've never seen many interviews with Barrett sadly.
Zethram Cochrane wasn't your perfect 24th century human though.
I do think they handled the only ship thing better than other stories still. Especially after vewing TMP again

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Interestingly, based on the interviews with Nimoy I got the impression he was given more CREATIVE input in this film than he had in any other movie since The Search for Spock. That's gotta count for something.

 

[ichab]

I must admit to being very surprised with how good that movie was.I still think they could have done just as welll by continuing the prime time line and the juevenile humor was a bit much at times, but overall a solid flick.

 

[Ghrakh]

The movie was supported by both Majel Barrett and Leonard Nimoy. They wouldn’t have participated unless they liked it.

Wasn't Nimoy in TSFS as well?

You have to smile at the familiar lines and the use of a red shirt.

Agreed, SNL did that too.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The movie was supported by both Majel Barrett and Leonard Nimoy. They wouldn’t have participated unless they liked it.

Wasn't Nimoy in TSFS as well?

In it? He fucking DIRECTED it!

 

[Dar70]

I'm a long time fan of Star Trek and was surprised how much criticism the latest film got. Especially with what has come out of the franchise in the last few years. So I decided to write this as a counter to all the hate pages.

This film got very little criticism.

I didnt like it but I was surprised that many fans liked it as much as they did. Some are hardcore fans and others are not and some in the middle. From reading this forum and others during the last year or so, Im find it funny that some of the same people like this film even though it has some of the same elements they hated Enterprise and Nemesis for.(overdone special effects, prequel idea, characters acting out of character, ugly ship design etc. etc.)

Plus im surprised that many DO find much wrong with the film but like it anyways.

To each his own though. For me Trek is dead for now, but for many others this film has given it a new life.(which Im sure wont last nearly as long as the prime continuity)

 

[Devon]

Im find it funny that some of the same people like this film even though it has some of the same elements they hated Enterprise and Nemesis for.(overdone special effects, prequel idea, characters acting out of character, ugly ship design etc. etc.)

That's hard to quantify. Outside of the "prequel idea," those same people may feel that this film doesn't have those elements that you listed.

 

[Amaris]

Im find it funny that some of the same people like this film even though it has some of the same elements they hated Enterprise and Nemesis for.(overdone special effects, prequel idea, characters acting out of character, ugly ship design etc. etc.)

That's hard to quantify. Outside of the "prequel idea," those same people may feel that this film doesn't have those elements that you listed.

It's like baking a cake. The more masterful, experienced, knowledgeable baker will generally produce a much better product, even if all of the other bakers have the exact same ingredients. That's the case here. Same general ingredients, different methods, different bakers, totally different results.

 

[Devon]

Im find it funny that some of the same people like this film even though it has some of the same elements they hated Enterprise and Nemesis for.(overdone special effects, prequel idea, characters acting out of character, ugly ship design etc. etc.)

That's hard to quantify. Outside of the "prequel idea," those same people may feel that this film doesn't have those elements that you listed.

It's like baking a cake. The more masterful, experienced, knowledgeable baker will generally produce a much better product, even if all of the other bakers have the exact same ingredients. That's the case here. Same general ingredients, different methods, different bakers, totally different results.

Very good way to put it.

 

[BillJ]

That's hard to quantify. Outside of the "prequel idea," those same people may feel that this film doesn't have those elements that you listed.

It's like baking a cake. The more masterful, experienced, knowledgeable baker will generally produce a much better product, even if all of the other bakers have the exact same ingredients. That's the case here. Same general ingredients, different methods, different bakers, totally different results.

Very good way to put it.

I'm still convinced if this same exact film had come out with Rick Berman's name on it, it would have been a financial and critical failure.

 

[Dar70]

It's like baking a cake. The more masterful, experienced, knowledgeable baker will generally produce a much better product, even if all of the other bakers have the exact same ingredients. That's the case here. Same general ingredients, different methods, different bakers, totally different results.

Very good way to put it.

I'm still convinced if this same exact film had come out with Rick Berman's name on it, it would have been a financial and critical failure.

Agreed.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I don't think the general public, who made STXI the success that it was, know or care who Rick Berman is.

 

[BillJ]

I don't think the general public, who made STXI the success that it was, know or care who Rick Berman is.

I think you seriously underestimate the number of times those you had watched Star Trek previously have seen this film.

 

[kkozoriz1]

I don't think it was so much that it wasn't Berman but that it was J.J. Abrams. Name recognition for Lost and all that. If Lost had tanked I doubt as many people would have seen Trek. However, Lost was a hit and served as free advertising for the movie.

 

[Ghostsoldier]

At least they didn't use McG....
Rob

 

[kkozoriz1]

Abrams hasn't said he'll direct the sequel yet....

 

[Amaris]

It's like baking a cake. The more masterful, experienced, knowledgeable baker will generally produce a much better product, even if all of the other bakers have the exact same ingredients. That's the case here. Same general ingredients, different methods, different bakers, totally different results.

Very good way to put it.

I'm still convinced if this same exact film had come out with Rick Berman's name on it, it would have been a financial and critical failure.

I'm not. The same film would not have come out if Rick Berman had been behind it. The needed drive and creative effort needed for this movie just wasn't there anymore with that team. This film had the right blend of action/adventure and pop culture. The previous film mixed those elements poorly.

Now, if you're saying that if Rick Berman and company somehow produced this movie and that it would have been shot down, I disagree there as well. First Contact was a Berman and company effort, and it was very successful. While the anger, frustration and dislike from the fan community has been rather excessive in their vocal displeasure with Berman and crew, there are legitimate reasons why such displeasure exists. Nothing occurs in a vacuum.

 

[Set Harth]

The same film would not have come out if Rick Berman had been behind it.

As usual Santa brings the goodies!

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm a long time fan of Star Trek and was surprised how much criticism the latest film got. Especially with what has come out of the franchise in the last few years. So I decided to write this as a counter to all the hate pages.

http://www.bukisa.com/articles/381051_reasons-to-love-rather-than-hate-star-trek-xi

I'll weigh in with my own thoughts:

Great music
The sound track is stirring and the main theme strikes just the right balance of being new yet keeping the Star Trek feel.

Though it may be a catchy tune, "Enterprising Young Men" can not match the excellence of The Doomsday Machine theme.

Skydive
A fantastic scene which shows the makers trying something different with Trek.

"Something different?" You do realize that an orbital skydiving scene was planned for Generations, and that we actually do see orbital skydiving in an episode of Voyager?

The uniforms
Did anyone honestly think they could pull off the original costumes in a way that didn’t look cheap and unbelievable on the big screen?

After seeing the movie, I know they can't.

Genuinely funny
Definitely an area the TNG outings fell flat in this movie has some great lines.

Um, what? I'm not saying the TNG movies ever succeeded with comedy, but this movie's attempts at humour were just painfully painful.