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Some things I noticed while rewatching "The Eleventh Hour"

Wow, that is spooky!

For my money, the most important part of "The Eleventh Hour" is that Amelia says, "I haven't got a mum and dad" rather than "My mum and dad are dead," and that grown-up Amy doesn't even mention her aunt. Almost like she had never existed...
She mentions her in "The Eleventh Hour" after the Doctor disapproves of her kissogram career. "You're worse than my aunt." "I'm the Doctor, I'm worse than everybody's aunt."
 
Are we going to get any sort of trailer for the finale? I don't see how we can, without any spoilers at all. It's not like The Stolen Earth where the only question was "Is the Doctor going to Regenerate?". Instead every one important is at Peril. They can't really show us any of them without giving away at least a bit of the cliffhanger.

Do you want a trailer that will ruin it for you? I don't understand the wanting of a trailer, surely it is best not to be spoiled?

Having no trailer makes perfect sense to me.

Next year there will be quite a lot of threads about "Amy I vs Amy II".

This is quite a good point, we may have an entirely new Amy personality take over by the end of this.

But in this picture, you can see that the stairs go nowhere:

http://doctorwho.sonicbiro.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=176

Plus that's a really weird shot composition, considering Amy is looking at the Doctor, but he's well to the right of the camera.

Looks to me like that is a hatch up into the attic there at the top of the stairs, a door that swings open leading up to the attic.


Just a re-use of a set, no big deal really. Why build new stairs when you already have stairs from another set, saves money.

For my money, the most important part of "The Eleventh Hour" is that Amelia says, "I haven't got a mum and dad" rather than "My mum and dad are dead," and that grown-up Amy doesn't even mention her aunt. Almost like she had never existed...

I picked up on that too, also that her Aunt apparently just left her there. Maybe she doesn't really have an aunt either. Her childhood does seem quit strange, like the doctor said, her life doesn't make much sense.
 
I picked up on that too, also that her Aunt apparently just left her there. Maybe she doesn't really have an aunt either. Her childhood does seem quit strange, like the doctor said, her life doesn't make much sense.

Maybe she's about as real as Bracewell....;)
 
But in this picture, you can see that the stairs go nowhere:

http://doctorwho.sonicbiro.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=176

Plus that's a really weird shot composition, considering Amy is looking at the Doctor, but he's well to the right of the camera.
Looks to me like that is a hatch up into the attic there at the top of the stairs, a door that swings open leading up to the attic.
I thought of that as well but that doesn't really make much sense to me. Why have a full-fledged staircase going up to an attic. Unless that's something typical in the UK? All the attics I've seen (in both old and newer houses) in the US don't have a staircase like that to an attic.
 
I used to be an appraiser in NY/NJ and I've seen stairways like that leading to an attic. It looks like a trap-type door (swings up into the attic).
 
But in this picture, you can see that the stairs go nowhere:

http://doctorwho.sonicbiro.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=165&pos=176

Plus that's a really weird shot composition, considering Amy is looking at the Doctor, but he's well to the right of the camera.
Looks to me like that is a hatch up into the attic there at the top of the stairs, a door that swings open leading up to the attic.
I thought of that as well but that doesn't really make much sense to me. Why have a full-fledged staircase going up to an attic. Unless that's something typical in the UK? All the attics I've seen (in both old and newer houses) in the US don't have a staircase like that to an attic.

It's not common but when there's houses designed or renovated for the roof space to be used as a room or set of rooms there are houses that have staircases to the attic.
 
Uhm, Amy says her Mom used to cut faces on apples.

She remembers her mom.
 
What i find extremly interesting in that context, is, that in "The TARDIS Handbook" the crack i referred to as "The Crooked Smile".
 
Uhm, Amy says her Mom used to cut faces on apples.

She remembers her mom.

The face on the apple bugged me because the smile on it looks awfully like some of the cracks we've seen.

in the Pandorica opens it was obvious when Amy said her favourite subject was romans and pandoras box but all teh other stuff is crazy.
 
Okay, theory: Amy's parents got swallowed up by the crack, which is why she can't remember them directly but River is her "Aunt" but somehow she's forgotten her in adult life, the same way she forgot that the TARDIS did indeed come back for her a second time.

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http://doctorwho.sonicbiro.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=176&pos=349

River points her torch up those stairs but doesn't seem to think anything of it.
I was watching this episode last night and I was wondering if her parents had gone thought the crack.
 
My aunt (who, for the record, has yet to be swallowed by a space-time crack) lives in a house with a full-fledged staircase leading up to a low attic.
Uhm, Amy says her Mom used to cut faces on apples.

She remembers her mom.
Yes, I know. And as pointed out above, she also mentions her aunt later on. However.

Logically, if Amy's mother had been taken by one of the cracks, Amy would have ceased to exist too. But in that case the Doctor would never have met her, and never have experienced the events leading up to the explosion that caused the cracks, so there would never have been a crack to swallow her... hello, grandfather paradox.

So what I suspect is that Amy's life "doesn't make sense" because she's caught at the heart of this paradox. Her family has disappeared, but she still remembers them, or some of them, vaguely, still lives in the house full of empty rooms that they ought to be occupying. She had a mother-- obviously, everyone had a mother. But now she lives with her aunt-- her aunt, who either abandons a seven year old at night or sleeps through a phone box crashing outside her window and a strange man eating half the food in her kitchen.

I know: all this sounds less clear-cut than the "never have existed" aspect of the cracks. But look at "The Pandorica Opens." If Rory never existed in linear time, why is there still a picture of him for River to find in Amy's house, and why are her memories of him part of the psychic residue the alliance used to construct the Pandorica scenario? The rules of this, if there are any beyond "what works best for the story," are far from clear.

Or maybe I'm wrong, and Amy's aunt is just a terrible guardian who happens to be out of town during the 2008 portion of "The Eleventh Hour." We'll see.
 
What i find extremly interesting in that context, is, that in "The TARDIS Handbook" the crack i referred to as "The Crooked Smile".

and "Silence will Fall", indicating something about the mouth as well, :o we may be on to something, it seems related
 
I feel like I missed an important line somewhere.....when the soldiers disapeared, Amy still remembered them when others forgot. So why did she forget Rory and the Doctor didn't?


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I feel like I missed an important line somewhere.....when the soldiers disapeared, Amy still remembered them when others forgot. So why did she forget Rory and the Doctor didn't?


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The Doctor said it was different because Rory was part of Amy's life she would forget, whereas the soldiers were just passing acquaintances and the TARDIS would protect her from that change.
 
A cynic might suggest that the cracks, like the nanogenes from "The Empty Child," work however dramatic effect requires...
 
And they would be right. As long as they follow internal logic though it is no different than any other scifi plot device.
 
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