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Some S7 Writers Confirmed

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Moffat obviously and Gatiss confirmed himself in last month's DWM but the new issue adds Toby Whithouse (hooray!) and wait for it...

wait for it...

deep beaths now....









Chris Sodding Chibnall.

The man must have blackmail photos of both RTD and Moffat. (Together?)


(And I don't think you'd lose any money betting on Gareth Roberts coming back as well.)
 
Well I quite like Roberts' eps in the main so not too bothered by that. Gatiss...heck I'm happy enough because, though his Who back catalogue isn't that great, I still think he probably has a humdinger of an episode in him somewhere! Whithouse coming back is good...

But Chibnall? I think you may be right on the blackmail front...or else he has a hell of an agent...
 
Most of Gatiss' stuff on NuWho is just OK-ish, his episode last year was not that bad, though his output is a lot better on Sherlock. Chris Chibnal is the Kenneth Biller of NuWho, he had ruined Torchwood and even RTD's rambling Torchwood: Miracle Day was better than any Chibnal script.
 
Chibnall wrote 42 the brought the Silurians back in Hungry Earth/Cold Blood. And his Countrycide for Torchwood was a very brave script that stands as the only non-science fiction episode ever broadcast in the Doctor Who franchise. And although it got cancelled because people weren't interested, my understanding is Camelot was fine. I really don't see the problem.

Remember everyone thought Doctor Who would be cancelled and buried the day Matthew Graham's Rebel Flesh/Almost People aired too. I don't have a problem with Chibnall and even if I did for god's sake it's one bloody episode out of 14. The world's not going to come to an end. There were I'm sure people who threw up their hands in horror when they heard Neil Gaiman was writing one too. And when Richard Curtis was announced for Series 5 this was not long after his Pirate Radio film stunk up the room.

Alex
 
Chibnall wrote 42 the brought the Silurians back in Hungry Earth/Cold Blood. And his Countrycide for Torchwood was a very brave script that stands as the only non-science fiction episode ever broadcast in the Doctor Who franchise.
:wtf:
Uh, there have been non-science fiction Doctor Who stories before. The Aztecs, The Reign of Terror, The Romans, The Crusade, The Gunfighters, The Smugglers, and The Highlanders were non-science fiction stories. Or do stories before NuWho not count as part of the "Doctor Who franchise"?
 
Chibnall wrote 42 the brought the Silurians back in Hungry Earth/Cold Blood. And his Countrycide for Torchwood was a very brave script that stands as the only non-science fiction episode ever broadcast in the Doctor Who franchise.
:wtf:
Uh, there have been non-science fiction Doctor Who stories before. The Aztecs, The Reign of Terror, The Romans, The Crusades, The Gunfighters, The Smugglers, and The Highlanders were non-science fiction stories. Or do stories before NuWho not count as part of the "Doctor Who franchise"?
I think Alex is counting the presence of the TARDIS and its time-traveling crew in those stories as sufficient to make them "science-fiction."
 
Chibnall wrote 42 the brought the Silurians back in Hungry Earth/Cold Blood. And his Countrycide for Torchwood was a very brave script that stands as the only non-science fiction episode ever broadcast in the Doctor Who franchise.
:wtf:
Uh, there have been non-science fiction Doctor Who stories before. The Aztecs, The Reign of Terror, The Romans, The Crusades, The Gunfighters, The Smugglers, and The Highlanders were non-science fiction stories. Or do stories before NuWho not count as part of the "Doctor Who franchise"?
I think Alex is counting the presence of the TARDIS and its time-traveling crew in those stories as sufficient to make them "science-fiction."

Though on that argument, the presence of an immortal time traveller would make Countrycide science fiction... ;)
 
...brought the Silurians back in Hungry Earth/Cold Blood.

Ah yes, the one where the Doctor abuses a woman for defending her family while declaring a mass-murdering vivisectionist to be his new best friend.
In what way can you construe killing the hostage you intend to trade for your family as Defending them?

Alaya injected poison into Ambrose's father, and indicates that she knows a cure, but won't tell them the cure because she is delighted at the idea killing humans.
Ambrose threatens Alaya with a taser to try and get the information to save her father, but Alaya remains adamant and goads her into using it.
The taser has an unexpectedly strong effect on Silurian physiology and ends up killing Alaya.
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I think it's pretty clear that Ambrose's motivation is to save her father.
The tasing of Alaya is meant to be a tricky moral situation, that the audience can both disapprove of and sympathize with.
 
Ah yes, the one where the Doctor abuses a woman for defending her family while declaring a mass-murdering vivisectionist to be his new best friend.
In what way can you construe killing the hostage you intend to trade for your family as Defending them?

Alaya injected poison into Ambrose's father, and indicates that she knows a cure, but won't tell them the cure because she is delighted at the idea killing humans.
Ambrose threatens Alaya with a taser to try and get the information to save her father, but Alaya remains adamant and goads her into using it.
The taser has an unexpectedly strong effect on Silurian physiology and ends up killing Alaya.
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I think it's pretty clear that Ambrose's motivation is to save her father.
The tasing of Alaya is meant to be a tricky moral situation, that the audience can both disapprove of and sympathize with.
I understand her motivation, but, she killed the hsotage that was intended to be traded for her family, that's not defending them, that's dooming them.
 
Chibnall wrote 42...
Meh.
...the brought the Silurians back in Hungry Earth/Cold Blood.
Yes, and it was awful.
And his Countrycide for Torchwood was a very brave script that stands as the only non-science fiction episode ever broadcast in the Doctor Who franchise.
It might be brave, but it is also at the peak of "Torchwood Gets Into Trouble Because They Understand Security Less Than A Kid Who Runs A Lemonade Stand" episodes.
And although it got cancelled because people weren't interested, my understanding is Camelot was fine. I really don't see the problem.
I assume the problem is that Chris Chibnall is not a very good writer. "Day One," "Cyberwoman," "End of Days," "Adrift," 50% of "Fragments," and "Exit Wounds" are pretty much the low points of Torchwood for me.

Remember everyone thought Doctor Who would be cancelled and buried the day Matthew Graham's Rebel Flesh/Almost People aired too.
I do not remember this.
I don't have a problem with Chibnall and even if I did for god's sake it's one bloody episode out of 14. The world's not going to come to an end.
I do not believe that anyone suggested this.
There were I'm sure people who threw up their hands in horror when they heard Neil Gaiman was writing one too. And when Richard Curtis was announced for Series 5 this was not long after his Pirate Radio film stunk up the room.
And so?
 
And when Richard Curtis was announced for Series 5 this was not long after his Pirate Radio film stunk up the room.

Alex

I liked The Boat that Rocked.. I hear it suffered from cuts in the North American release that made it quite shallow?
 
I don't really care one way or the other about "42" and "The Hungry Earth"/"Cold Blood," and while "Cyberwoman" and "Countrycide" were godawful, but I loved "Adrift"/"Fragments"/"Exit Wounds" and his Law & Order: UK and Life on Mars entries. I don't dread his episode like others do.
 
It's just as well there was no internet back in 1969. The reaction that Robert Holmes - writer of 'The Krotons' and 'The Space Pirates' was being bought in to write the first story for the new Doctor would have been hysterical. And look how that - and the next 16 years turned out.
 
It's just as well there was no internet back in 1969. The reaction that Robert Holmes - writer of 'The Krotons' and 'The Space Pirates' was being bought in to write the first story for the new Doctor would have been hysterical. And look how that - and the next 16 years turned out.

IMO Robert Holmes wasn't appreciated while he was still alive and the fans at the time hated The Deadly Assassin. Still I agree people's opinion does change over time at times, but only the writer's stories are good ones from the start.
 
IMO Robert Holmes wasn't appreciated while he was still alive and the fans at the time hated The Deadly Assassin. Still I agree people's opinion does change over time at times, but only the writer's stories are good ones from the start.

I don't know about that. The Caves of Androzani often rivals Genesis of the Daleks as the best of Doctor Who, and I think The Talons of Weng-Chiang always comes within the top five. I doubt that started after he died.
 
IMO Robert Holmes wasn't appreciated while he was still alive and the fans at the time hated The Deadly Assassin. Still I agree people's opinion does change over time at times, but only the writer's stories are good ones from the start.

I don't know about that. The Caves of Androzani often rivals Genesis of the Daleks as the best of Doctor Who, and I think The Talons of Weng-Chiang always comes within the top five. I doubt that started after he died.

In 1984 when Caves Of Androzani came out Resurrection Of The Daleks won the season poll for best story. All the polls your talking about came out after Holmes died. Here's the reaction at the to The Deadly Assassin.

At the time of the story's original transmission, however, many fans took the view that it contradicted the minimal details that had previously been revealed about the Doctor's race, and were absolutely infuriated by this. 'What must have happened is that at the end of The Hand of Fear the Doctor was knocked out when the TARDIS took off and had a crazy mixed up nightmare about Gallifrey,' suggested Jan Vincent-Rudzki in TARDIS Volume 2 Number 1 in 1977.
'As a Doctor Who story, The Deadly Assassin is just not worth considering. I've spoken to many people... and they all said how this story shattered their illusions of the Time Lords and lowered them to ordinary people. Once, Time Lords were all-powerful, awe-inspiring beings, capable of imprisoning planets forever in force fields, defenders of truth and good (when called in). Now, they are petty, squabbling, feeble-minded, doddering old fools. WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE MAGIC OF DOCTOR WHO?' These outspoken criticisms from someone who was, at the time, President of the Doctor Who Appreciation Society had a very influential effect and were echoed and expanded upon by numerous other reviewers, including David Fychan in Oracle Number 12, dated September 1978:
'Here was a whole four episodes about the Time Lords; a chance to gaze deep into a society of immeasurable age; a chance to see what the Doctor left behind; an insight into the Doctor's mentality (why does he prefer the human race?) - and as such, it was incredibly, unbelievably wasted. It failed badly as anything but a thriller-SF story about an Earthly society. Time Lords were really only humans - for every emotion they showed, for every motive they possessed, there are clear parallels simply on Earth...
'What we "learnt" in The Deadly Assassin was quite revealing: no Time Ladies; a stiff caste system; a fact-adjusting society; torture; a constitution; a police force; Shabogan hooligans - all these go to make up the Gallifrey that we found...
'So, the most important question about the adventure is not "How does it fit in?" but "Is it worth trying to fit in?". The Deadly Assassin is an incongruity in Doctor Who.'

With the passage of time, the story has been re-evaluated, as was recognised by John C Harding in Frontier Worlds 9, dated June 1981: 'All civilisations rise and fall, and the idea of showing the Time Lords at the nadir of their civilisation was, in theory, a good one. At the time... I - like most fans - was incensed at this treatment of these previously god-like beings. It [was], however, a logical progression.'
'The degeneration of the Time Lord race is portrayed reasonably and realistically,' agreed Saunders, 'if one assumes that those seen in The War Games with the almost omniscient powers in fact belonged to the Celestial Intervention Agency [as referred to in this story]... This would seem to have been the reason for casting Erik Chitty and the (ever fascinating) George Pravda - I just love his intonation - as well as the two Prydonians from whom the Doctor "borrowed" his ceremonial robes. That our mysterious, pacifistic observers have now, in the main, become a bunch of old dodderers... would seem to explain the necessity of the Chancellery Guard.'

Harding also liked the way in which the principal Time Lords in this story were portrayed: 'By far my favourite character was Spandrell. Although at times the dry accent of George Pravda brought [it] close to going over the top, for the most [part] he maintained a sardonic and superbly cynical character... Cardinal Borusa (Angus MacKay) was perhaps the strongest character - a Gallifreyan Disraeli. He had the rare ability to bridge the gap between appearances and reality, although he was too ready to tip the balance in favour of appearances. He was played with disdainfully reserved authority, which is the only way to treat such a character without demeaning him: it is impossible to work behind the scenes and be seen as powerful at the same time.'

As you can see opinions about his stories changed over time.
 
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