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some new details on Orcis ST3

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Khan 2.0

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just reading the comments at TM.com and he responded to some queries about his ST3:

flaming photon torpedo of truth
Reply to boborci
August 18, 2020 1:51 pm
can you give any more info on your ST3? e.g. was it to be called ‘Beyond?’ was CMarcus in it? would Shatner have been CG de-aged? would he have had a cool outfit/uniform?

boborci
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August 18, 2020 3:06 pm
All coming back to me. Marcus was in it. It was not called Beyond. Shatner would’ve been slightly augmented. Bryan Cranston would’ve been the villain. Spoke to him about it, and he seemed open, but we never got farther than that, altough we had great designs for him and his look.
https://trekmovie.com/2020/08/17/wi...e-as-two-kirks-in-a-star-trek-movie/#comments
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wow..id always figured Beyond wouldve been the title even for Orcis version.., and CG augmented Shatner? (i guess to 1994 or thereabout maybe?). Cranston wouldve been a cool villain (sounds like hed have been all makeup'd like Elba)
 
Just Another Salt Vampire
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August 18, 2020 9:47 pm
Thanks very much for the information. What species would Cranston’s villain have been? What was his motivation?

boborci
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August 18, 2020 9:53 pm
Specifically, let’s not get into too much detail, but thematically, he thought the Kelvin timeline was an abomination and he sought to recreate the universe he felt should exist. Or something:). I’m getting old.
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This is what I could get from before:

"Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, [RUMOUR: Shatner and Nimoy would have appeared an older Pine & Quinto, unfortunately a new script was written (which tbf was a movie I greatly enjoyed!) and Nimoy died in 2015, before these scenes could be shot] the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime."

FROM ORCI'S OLD TWITTER (good thing I kept a print out :P ):
There's a chase for doohicke against Enil, leader of Annunaki, to reset back to the Prime Timeline. This is the last temptaiton of Kirk and Spock - bring back their parents? In the process, Kirk Prime returns to help resolve the dilemma.

Hmm, @Khan 2.0 from this and what you wrote above we're starting to get a picture of what this film might have been!
 
Danlav05 said:
This is what I could get from before:

"Orci was planning to co-write and direct a third Star Trek movie. In it, the Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, [RUMOUR: Shatner and Nimoy would have appeared an older Pine & Quinto, unfortunately a new script was written (which tbf was a movie I greatly enjoyed!) and Nimoy died in 2015, before these scenes could be shot] the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime."

FROM ORCI'S OLD TWITTER (good thing I kept a print out :P ):
There's a chase for doohicke against Enil, leader of Annunaki, to reset back to the Prime Timeline. This is the last temptaiton of Kirk and Spock - bring back their parents? In the process, Kirk Prime returns to help resolve the dilemma.
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I'm not going to dig deep into this -- just an observation -- but the notion of resetting or restoring to the Prime timeline seems to run counter to statements Bob Orci had made previously (in which he said that no slingshot maneuvers around a star or trips to visit the Guardian could serve to "correct" the timeline as had been more or less the norm in the Original Series -- "not while I'm in charge" of writing the story. Once the Alternate Reality had diverged from the Prime, his idea had been that it was meant to remain that way.)
 
I still want to see that movie made... Samuel L. Jackson in Captain Marvel proved de-aging has come a long way, and might've proved successful enough for a Prime Kirk appearance.

I too don't think the Kelvin timeline would be reset, but there's epic drama in a villain who'll stop at nothing to achieve exactly that. And more so in reopening old wounds surrounding all that Pine and Quinto versions of Kirk and Spock have lost. Dangling that juicy carrot of temptation in front of them.... "Look! Millions of Vulcans need not have died. Hey! Just do this, and you could've grown up knowing who your Father was."

Yeah, that's still the plot of the next movie from my point of view. I'd be rooting for Bryan Cranston to win, all the way... even knowing the script would concoct an even worse outcome to his actions, just to ram home why he has to lose.
 
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Another script I would love to read. So much sweet material out there we can't see.
 
I. NEED. TO. LEARN. MORE. ABOUT. THIS. MOVIE.

Here's what we know, in bullet points:

- Written by Roberto Orci without Alex Kurtzman, but rather with Patrick McKay and J. D. Payne.
- It was not called Beyond – imdb lists Star Trek: Into Oblivion as a possible title.
- Orci was tipped to direct.
- Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, Zoe Saldana, John Cho, Simon Pegg and the late Anton Yelchin all presumably would have returned
- As well as Alice Eve as Dr Carol Marcus. William Shatner as restored Kirk Prime.
- Orci wanted Bryan Cranston to play the main villain – Enil, leader of Annunaki. There were designs!
- Specifically, let’s not get into too much detail, but thematically, he thought the Kelvin timeline was an abomination and he sought to recreate the universe he felt should exist.
- The Federation, The Vulcans and a new race were racing to get their hands on a time travel device, the Vulcans wanted to get their hands on a time travel device. In the process, the Prime Timeline would have been restored, ending the trilogy, with the return of Kirk Prime.
- There's a chase for doohickey (?!) against time to reset back to the Prime Timeline. This is the last temptation of Kirk and Spock - bring back their parents? In the process, Kirk Prime returns to help resolve the dilemma (Kirk Prime DID return - to help Seth MacFarlane open the Oscars, but anyway...)
- Potential ship designs https://texk.myportfolio.com/star-trek-beyond
- Shatner and Nimoy were initially rumoured to appear as future Kelvin Kirk and Spock, to mark the 50th Anniversary. It doesn’t seem compatible with what Orci has told us, unless this was the idea before Nimoy died: https://trekmovie.com/2014/10/06/rumor-how-to-get-nimoy-and-shatner-into-star-trek-2016-revealed/ I actually like it - we could have got older Kirk & Spock back together on a brand new Enterprise in shiny new uniforms. Also the fact the actors had aged wouldn't have been an issue.
 
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In a way, I see this as a re-imaging of TFF. A crazed cult guy is trying to obtain the timeline shifty device for his own purposes, but needs a starship. Somehow he knows about Spock Prime and everything that's been revealed to the Enterprise crew. He brainwashes them into going on the quest, by promising to "heal their pain" caused by Nero. Eventually, his ulterior motives are revealed and he is defeated, but Kirk and Spock are left deciding whether or not to go through with what was originally promised ('cause let's face it, no one else's life seems to have been significantly changed by the shift... except Chekov, who was born several years earlier...).

I realize that's not what Orci actually wrote (probably), but I'm just going to put it out there as a "what if".
 
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Danlav05 said:
- Shatner and Nimoy were initially rumoured to appear as future Kelvin Kirk and Spock, to mark the 50th Anniversary. It doesn’t seem compatible with what Orci has told us, unless this was the idea before Nimoy died: https://trekmovie.com/2014/10/06/rumor-how-to-get-nimoy-and-shatner-into-star-trek-2016-revealed/ I actually like it - we could have got older Kirk & Spock back together on a brand new Enterprise in shiny new uniforms. Also the fact the actors had aged wouldn't have been an issue.
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I would have loved this. Since everyone kinda suspected the third movie was to be the last, they could have flashforwarded and shown a very different and happier future for Kirk and Spock in this world. On the Enterprise bridge in 2387, leading the (successful) evacuation of Romulus.
 
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F. King Daniel said:
I would have loved this. Since everyone kinda suspected the third movie was to be the last, they could have flashforwarded and shown a very different and happier future for Kirk and Spock in this world. On the Enterprise bridge in 2287, leading the (successful) evacuation of Romulus.
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That's an interesting development: Kelvin Picard then doesn't resign, there's no refugee crisis, the Empire still exists,...
 
F. King Daniel said:
I would have loved this. Since everyone kinda suspected the third movie was to be the last, they could have flashforwarded and shown a very different and happier future for Kirk and Spock in this world. On the Enterprise bridge in 2287, leading the (successful) evacuation of Romulus.
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after Starfleet told him “sheer f—-ing hubris’ Kirk would have stolen a ship and got a very wealthy Ferengi to pay billions of bars of gold Pressed Latium to build a rescue armada !
 
Danlav05 said:
I. NEED. TO. LEARN. MORE. ABOUT. THIS. MOVIE.

Here's what we know, in bullet points:

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Whether you think a big reset is a bad idea, a cop out or contrary to intentions for the Kelvin timeline, I really like the stuff listed, particularly the return of Kirk and Spock and the end of the Kelvin timeline.

I'd much rather have seen this than the sorry pile that was Beyond.

They could still do it with Shatner and just cameo Spock at the end post 'reset' as Shatner Kirk is reunited with his crew.
 
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Tosk said:
Star Trek Into Oblivion seems like a very fitting title.
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I guess the 'oblivion' of potentially deleting the timeline..but now seems apt for what came after Beyond.. (but abit of a strange title considering Oblivion was just a couple of years prior ..)
 
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