Some interstellar nations status?

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Hando, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. Hando

    Hando Commander Red Shirt

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    I would like to ask what the current (late 24th century) state of the following interstellar nations is:

    Thelasian Trading Confederacy (last seen in mid 22nd century, breaking up)
    Goeg Domain (last seen in late mid 23rd century, experiencing crisis)
    Ksahtryan Regime (only in a parallel late 23rd century, possibly a Federation member in the Prime universe)

    Or will we see them again?
     
  2. Stevil2001

    Stevil2001 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The Ksahtiryan [spelling? I get this wrong every time] Regime comes from Greg Bear's Corona, where it is antagonistic to the Federation. It seems unlikely it will ever e mentioned again, but maybe someone else out there is as nostalgic about the weird early TOS novels as I am. (The world needs more Black Fire references.)
     
  3. Deranged Nasat

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    A refugee on Pacifica in Losing the Peace uses a curse word of Goeg origin, so we can now assume that the unseen utterer hailed from the region of the Domain. Plus, of course, dom-jot, a game apparently invented by a race out that way, is popular across explored space. It seems likely that the Goeg and company are still part of the interstellar community in some low-key but healthy capacity.
     
  4. Christopher

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    It's "Kshatriyans," and I never cared for that one, at least not once I learned that Kshatriya is the name of the warrior/governor varna ("caste," though not really) in traditional Indian culture. It's rather weird to take a name from human society and use it virtually unaltered as the name of an alien species. That'd be like having an alien race called, I dunno, the Catholics or the Pharaohs. It's bad enough we have a race called "Romulans," but at least that's slightly altered from "Romans" (and until "Minefield" came along, we could at least believe it was a nickname given to them by humans). I suppose one could justify "Kshatriyans" as a human-assigned nickname by analogy with some element of their culture, but still.
     
  5. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Admiral Moderator

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    Or like the Imhotep? :rommie:
    Seriously, I believe it would be common for Humans to assign nicknames to aliens which then get official. We've done it with animals, and in the case of nations, some of them have made use of the right to have their name changed (e.g. Persians/Iranians). Random nicknaming is also evident in the "Indians" from the Americas.

    In real life, we'd probably start naming aliens after Human concepts or maybe even fictional aliens. Like the ECS crews did ("Deltans", "Saurians").

    To provide a specific example - I don't think the Imhotep (VOY "Drive") or the Kshatr(i)yans (They don't have the 'i' in The Tears of Eridanus) really have Human words as their own demonym. Rather, I'd guess their names happen to sound similar or are difficult to pronounce, and some xenologist or science officer picked a nice word from the dictionary or history book. My own people, 'die Deutschen', are Germans in English, whereas in German 'die Germanen' are a collection of ancient tribes.
     
  6. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    A fair point.

    Also the Indians of South Asia, who call themselves Bharati. "India" is derived from the Greek name for the Indus River, which is locally called the Sindh or Sindhu. So really, there isn't anyone who actually called themselves "Indians" to begin with.
     
  7. Idran

    Idran Commodore Premium Member

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    Same for any number of countries. Germany, Greece, Egypt, Japan, all are names that came to English through paths other than what the people of the nation actually called it in their native languages at the time the names were coined. (None of these examples were originally coined in English, of course, but the point still holds, I think.)
     
  8. tomswift2002

    tomswift2002 Commodore Commodore

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    Even cities have had their names changed. Look at London, England: back when it was just a Roman colony it was called Londoninium.
     
  9. William Leisner

    William Leisner Scribbler Rear Admiral

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    My gut says the Goeg Domain no longer exists in the "current" timeframe, at least not in the form seen in TSOA, though I'm sure their legacy is still felt in that sector. I wouldn't mind revisiting the Domain someday and coming up with a better answer, though there have been no plans to do so, nor any plans to make plans.
     
  10. Enterprise1701

    Enterprise1701 Commodore Commodore

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    Would there be any copyright issues blocking publication of a new novel(s) about the Kzinti of the Patriarchy?
     
  11. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

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    Presumably they belong to Larry Niven. Besides, if you want books about the Kzinti, there are already a bunch of them set in the Known Space universe where they belong -- notably the Ringworld novels and the long-running Man-Kzin Wars anthology series.