So, will we see Klingons?
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Re: I hate Klingons - tuff acting weaklings!
Maybe they is condemning food, things and supplies.
Re: I hate Klingons - tuff acting weaklings!
"Trials and Tribble-ations" affirms that a smarter than average TNG era Starfleet officer doesn't know about the flathead Klingons, so one might assume they were a rather minor aberration in history. (Then again, even a smarter than average officer today might mistakenly think the British were the good guys in the Opium Wars, or something equally false but perfectly understandable from today's viewpoint.)
In contrast, there is no episode or movie that would require us to think that Kirk didn't know about ridgeheaded Klingons all along. At worst, we might argue that since Kirk imagined Kahless as smoothheaded in "Savage Curtain", he had some misconceptions about the prevalence of flatheadedness in the Empire in the past.
As for the IMHO part, I'd keep it to one villain species per movie. If XI does good with the Romulans, XII can be all about Klingons...
Timo Saloniemi
"Trials and Tribble-ations" affirms that a smarter than average TNG era Starfleet officer doesn't know about the flathead Klingons, so one might assume they were a rather minor aberration in history. (Then again, even a smarter than average officer today might mistakenly think the British were the good guys in the Opium Wars, or something equally false but perfectly understandable from today's viewpoint.)
In contrast, there is no episode or movie that would require us to think that Kirk didn't know about ridgeheaded Klingons all along. At worst, we might argue that since Kirk imagined Kahless as smoothheaded in "Savage Curtain", he had some misconceptions about the prevalence of flatheadedness in the Empire in the past.
As for the IMHO part, I'd keep it to one villain species per movie. If XI does good with the Romulans, XII can be all about Klingons...
Timo Saloniemi
The new Klingons should look like what Worf turned into in Genesis. No more humanoids except for Vulcans please.
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We'll probably just smell them.
A very little joke.
Maybe a massive Klingon attack at the border triggers a huge call on the Fleet. A Klingon break through threatens Earth temporarily and even the cadets are pressed into immediate service, giving Cadet Kirk his first opportunity to do something amazing?
The ships on hand at Earth, perhaps including Pikes Enterprise, are in various states of repair, replenishment and refitting. Some launching undermanned.
Something like that maybe.
The ships on hand at Earth, perhaps including Pikes Enterprise, are in various states of repair, replenishment and refitting. Some launching undermanned.
Something like that maybe.
No Klingons.
Didn't Enterprise establish that Flathead Klingons came from a genetic inbreeding program? As I recall, it had to do with a redneck clan from the southern regions of Kronos and marrying one's sister finally becoming illegal in the Klingon Empire...
LOL! Superb
I think the obvious canon explanation for Cornish pasty heads in the film is that Phlox, with his obvious disregard for hygiene, manhandled the injection he gave to Archer, meaning that his Denobulan (read: barely different than Cardassian) DNA was also included. You mix that all up, and ladies and gentlemen, you've got yourselves some Klingon spoonheads
Human + Kilngon + Denobulan = Klingassian. It's up to 22nd century Phlox to put things right, by asking for an angry Romulan's help. I think it should be clear how this film is going to pan out. It results in Chekov getting another opportunity to make that screaming sound on the silver screen.
I'm loose with the rules. I took my cue from the writers
If we see ridged Klingons in this movie, then it'll just be Klingons that weren't affected by the genetics program that had gone awry. If we see ridgeless ones, then they were just Klingons that were affected. We'll only run into some trouble if we run across any of named TOS Klingons (Kang, Koloth, etc.) in an era when we know they didn't have ridges (but later on in the future got them restored).
I doubt that will be good enough explanation to keep the bashers from having a field day if ridges show up.
Their argument will likely be; if ridged Klingons were around at the time of TOS how come we never saw them? And it's a good argument imo, 3 years and 79 episodes without seeing one at any time is pretty strong evidence they didn't exist then. The "We just never saw them" rebuttal will work no better than the same answer for not seeing Nas-a-kins(sp?) did. There needs to be no ridges in sight for this to fly.
Personally I don't want ridges, the ridge-less Klingons of ENT fame looked great! Even on the small screen I totally bought them as (improved and believable) OS style Klingons. That style would be truly worthy of a big screen treatment imo.
(OT: I wish they'd fixed the the wussy looking Klingons in ST:R to look as cool as the ridge-less ENT Klingons did.)
Their argument will likely be; if ridged Klingons were around at the time of TOS how come we never saw them? And it's a good argument imo, 3 years and 79 episodes without seeing one at any time is pretty strong evidence they didn't exist then. The "We just never saw them" rebuttal will work no better than the same answer for not seeing Nas-a-kins(sp?) did. There needs to be no ridges in sight for this to fly.
Personally I don't want ridges, the ridge-less Klingons of ENT fame looked great! Even on the small screen I totally bought them as (improved and believable) OS style Klingons. That style would be truly worthy of a big screen treatment imo.
(OT: I wish they'd fixed the the wussy looking Klingons in ST:R to look as cool as the ridge-less ENT Klingons did.)
