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So what's wrong with Kate? (Incident spoilers)

Hunter X

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Kate is probably the least popular character on the show, at least among those who discuss Lost on the Internet. She's my least favourite as well, but I've been thinking lately about what's gone so wrong with her. In the thread for "The Incident" there were multiple calls for her death, especially when Juliet seemed to bite it instead.

So why do you feel the Kate hate? Let it all out. This is your therapy thread.

For me, it's two things.

1.) She has no purpose outside of the triangle. Sawyer and Jack spend a lot of time pining after her on the show, but they do other things too, and are motivated by other things. They're at their best when Sawyer is dealing with his darker nature or Jack is dealing with his leader issues. Kate doesn't seem to do much or have any motivation aside from going after whoever she feels like going after in that particular moment--usually the one who is showing less interest in her--and getting offended when they tell her she can't tag along this time. When she announced that she went back to the island for Claire, I was cautiously optimistic. This could be just the thing to actually make her a character instead of a placeholder. Not much has come of it yet, though.

2.) She shows no self-awareness. At least Jack and Sawyer have both shown flashes of being aware of their flaws, and of the nature of their relationships with Kate and other people. She chases after Jack when she can't have him, then goes to Sawyer when she gets frustrated and to make Jack jealous, then goes back to Jack when Sawyer calls her on her behaviour, etc. There's no hint that she has any interest in committing to either one of them. She wants both of them, expects that she can have both of them, and gets really angry and self-rightous when either of them call her on this, as if they're the ones in the wrong for expecting her to make a choice already. This makes her look stupid at best, sociopathic at worst.

The worst part is, I can't figure out if she's intentionally being written this way. Do the writers really think she's sympathetic and a heroine? Or are they presenting her as so screwed up for a reason, one that will eventually pay off?
 
Kate is suffering from being surrounded by very interesting, compelling, cool, funny, mysterious and great characters. On another show, she'd probably be okay. And the other characters get all the good lines - especially Sawyer, Miles and Hurley.

Jack is also a jackass at times, but he's crucial to the plot and his neurotic need to fix everything, which can be really annoying, also drives the plot and makes interesting things happen. And now that I understand the guy better than in S1, when I didn't much care for him, he seems to be interestingly complex rather than just annoying. Kate has no interesting complexity so she's just annoying.

Kate suffers in comparison with Juliet, who, through both writing and acting, manages to convey a deep inner life and seems to be playing out the tragic martyr role (tho I don't think Juliet can be 100% considered dead - a surprise to me, I really thought it would be finito for her).
 
Personally I don't get the hate for Kate. :shifty:

No, seriously, she's far from being my favorite character, but I always enjoyed her and the actress portraying her. Of all the characters she probably has the most interesting backstory. It's great how in the first few seasons she was a very ambivalent character. We didn't really know what she had done and were never sure of her motivations. I guess that's what I liked about her. It made her real. At least that's how I look at it.
 
besides being the "kickass" female in the cast when the show premiered (claire/sun/shannon were hardly in the running) - proving her tracking and shooting skills, i appreciate the fact that she is hardly apologizing for her life. That's what gave her and Sawyer something in common.

The only time I did not dig Kate was off-island after the rescue. Tormented & paranoid, but then again - so was Jack and most of the other Oceanic6...

I also found it interesting that in the S5 finale, both young Katie and young Jim promised to follow Jacob's advice and stay away from bad stuff, but never did.
 
That's funny, I liked Kate better off the island.

Overall I don't hate her character. My least favorites used to be Sawyer and Kate, but Juliet took over that spot and made Kate seem less annoying to me. The problem with Kate, especially in the first three seasons, is that her stories were always so dependent on the male characters. It was always her reacting to something Jack or Sawyer did. She just sort of existed to further along the plots of those two characters. I don't hate her for this though, I just think the writers didn't do the best job with her.
 
I've been feeling the Khate for a long time now. I think it's point 2 for me. She manages to do all these stupid, destructive things, and she never learns better.
 
i think it's this...Kate on the Island doesn't seem different / better than how her "real world" life is

Examples:
= John Locke going from paralyzed "loser" to Mr. Outdoors Survival
= Sawyer from selfish hoarder of goods to head of Security for Dharmaville/leader of the time warped Losties/loving boyfriend of Juliet ( a significant change from his first appearances...but yet seems totally natural & good, right?)
= Mr. Eko from Drug dealer/thug to mysterious religious figure (at least the 1st season he was around)

Even if things were the "same", such as Jack the Doctor trying to "fix" everything in his life, that might work. But we didn't get that either from Kate (i.e. killing someone who might be a problem/"deserved" it).

Has she dealt with her issues as Charlie did? He was a drug abuser, but seemed to conquer the selfishness of that by giving his life for Desmond.

i think we need, at this point, Kate dealing with her issues and becoming someone better...or , in a real twist, just go off the deep end. But she needs to change & grow in some way. Maybe something will happen with Jacob? When/how will she see him (and recognize him)? Will the displaced Losties return to the modern time after the "Incident"/bomb goes off?
 
My reason for hating Kate includes all of the above, but it started out in the begining because she was unimportant and kept getting in the way of the plot. Look at her episodes:

Tabula Rasa: Right after an interesting pilot we get a boring episode about Kate being a secret criminal wanting to kill the marshal who is gravely ill. The show is lucky that I bothered to give it a shot the next week after this boring episode, and I'm lucky too because Walkabout was fantastic.

Whatever the Case May Be:
There was a fantastic episode before this; Claire had been kidnapped by Ethan, Charlie was almost killed, Locke and Boone found something important in the jungle... and they dropped all that to do an extremely boring episode where Kate tries to get a case from Sawyer. Utterly pointless and extremely frustratingly placed in the season.

Born to Run: Season 1 is coming to a climax; Boone is dead, Locke is under suspicion, Sayid finds out about the hatch, Michael's raft is preparing to leave... time for another boring Kate episode which has absolutely no relevance on the plot.

What Kate Did: The Tailies have just joined the Losties with a bang, what we really need now is an episode about Kate chasing a horse. :rolleyes:

I Do: The first part of season 3 was painfully slow but things had just managed to get interesting because Eko had been killed by the monster. Rather than do an episode following up on the death of one of my favourite characters we get an episode where Kate fucks Sawyer. That's exactly what I wanted.

Left Behind: Locke has just run off with the Others after finding his father on the island, we've already had some filler with Expose, so they drag things out more by doing an episode which admits at the end that it was utterly pointless.

Eggtown: Sayid and Desmond have just left the island on the way to the freighter, and they ignore that to do yet another pointless Kate episode.

The Little Prince: The previous episode was fun involving Desmond and the introduction of the nuke, this episode felt boring in comparison.

Whatever Happened, Happened: Sayid just shot Ben, and this episode felt very long with very little happening.

It is almost as if the writers want me to hate her. They keep on putting her in boring episodes after really good episodes, and her character just isn't interesting anyway. As far as I am concerned, her character is beyond redemption.
 
That's funny, I liked Kate better off the island.

That's because that was the one time there was any real consistency and purpose to her character. Keeping Aaron safe. It made sense, every action was (more or less) logically driven by that. Back on the island and we're back to the Kate who always manages to f things up and ping-pongs back and forth between Jack and Sawyer. What's worse is she is definitely the writers' favorite female and they always find a non-organic way to shoehorn her into every plot. There's this palpable sense that they think she's the greatest thing and bend every plot and characterization to involve her.

I call it the "Lana" syndrome.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with her. She's not my favorite character, nor is she my least favorite.
 
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