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So what's up with the trailer Enterprise proportions?

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Patrickivan said:
^ you are correct in that they may not be attached. But it makes little sense that they would be worked on dangerously close over the saucer section.

On another note, I find it funny that 200 years in the future they're using such little hull plates all over the place. And why they are not uniform in colour is perplexing too. Very messy- not so advanced looking.

You know for a minute there I thought you were going to mention the welders and I thought ... Not Again. Phew
 
Son_of_Soong said:
In the teaser it shows a view from the back of the Enterprises neck looking down its hull... and theres no warp nacelles attached. You see the pylons that hold the nacelles being built but the nacelles themselves are not attached.

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This is the nacelle:
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Yeah, the quality ain't so great - I'm working with that 16" model again. But I think it's pretty clear it's the nacelle and not the engine hull.

uncropped:
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Nothing can really be seen from that shot in the trailer, it's really difficult to tell scale or placement with that tight of a shot. They do this intentionally, of course.

The next picture they release will be of the finished model probably, and will lay this topic to rest. (Yeah right)
 
HOLY CRAP Ancient- The teaser nacelles have LESS detail then your model- WTF!?! Seriously though- I think that you need a lens that can zoom in and focus more closely to get the same perspective. That's a tough shot on that little model. Very close though- I hope you can get it!

Riker

Now that you mention it, I did forget to bring up the welders. Thanks. So 200 years from now they're... :lol:

I'm kidding- I think that's been done to death, I hate the bloody idea and even I'm sick of the subject.
 
Good work, Ancient. Too bad I don't have an Enterprise model, I could nail that shot pretty well with my 50mm lens.
 
ancient said:
Starfleet engineer: "What do you mean '950' feet?! I thought this diagram said '1950' feet!

It's probably just as easy to blame the metric system. :lol:

"Ooooh! This is the METRIC Enterprise!" [slaps forehead]
 
My camera is physically too large to get any closer, and it's auto focus. Which of course comes out blurry even on the <28" mode.

On Amazon the 16" polar lights Ent model is $37 including shipping. It appeals to my cheapness.

*Continues playing with model, making explosion noises with moulth*
 
Vektor said:
The FJ blueprints are not accurate to the filming model that was used in TOS. Nevertheless, the nacelles shown in the teaser are still bigger. I used my own 3D model of the Enterprise for comparison, which is as accurate to the filming model as I could make it based on available references. Either the saucer has shrunk and the nacelles have been pulled much closer together or the nacelles themselves have gotten at least 25% bigger in diameter.

Supposedly another image of the ship is "forthcoming." If it's any more revealing of the ship's overall shape and proportions then we will know just how accurate this teaser version actually is.

Huh, well, that's odd. I guess we'll just wait and see how it turns out.
 
Son_of_Soong said:
My original point still stands tho, theres nothing to suggest the nacelles are attached yet.

Actually, as the camera is rising in the view from the front, you can clearly see what appears to be the port nacelle strut. There's too much junk and smoke on the other side to tell for sure, but there does NOT appear to be a starboard strut.

In the middle sequence with the precariously perched welder in the foreground and the saucer looming in the background, that angled structure the welder is working on looks to be the port nacelle strut, or at least it's hard to figure what else it might be. The angle still looks wrong to my eye but it would make some sense if the nacelles really are closer together.

Also, near the end of the view from the front, if you look closely at those rows of lights along the sides of the nacelles, it almost looks like they are resting in huge cradles of some sort. I'm guessing that the port nacelle has been or is about to be attached to the strut and that the starboard nacelle is still just hanging there, or more accurately, propped up there.
 
Interesting work, Ancient. But, I think as jon1701 pointed out, the shape of this Enterprise will probably look more like a retro version of the TMP refit than a version of the TV model.
I wonder if anyone could take similar photos of the saucer of the TMP model. Anyone still have their old AMT TMP Enteprise out there?

If not, here's at least a link to a head-on shot of the actual TOS movie model. It's not exactly the same angle, but still good for comparison. The Photoshop-adept may want to play with it.

Link to Movie Model
 
ancient said:
The hull lettering ENTERPRISE is quite a bit smaller, and closer to being rounded rather than straight. (EDIT: Smaller in relation to the numbers I mean)

I'm hoping those nacelles aren't as big as they seem in the trailer. I matched the sizes of the glowy fan-caps, but the new nacelles are still bigger. Anyway, it's perfectly possible that they're place-holders.

But the bridge size is so small. Either the bridge is moved down for some reason, or the scale of the ship is way way up.

Yes, I know the trailer was made a while ago, and is probably a temp-job, but I can't help wonder...

I'm just curious, not trying to pick a fight. I really want to understand where you're coming from.

Why isn't it okay if the ship as depicted in the trailer end up being the same bird we see in the film?
 
Irishman said:
Why isn't it okay if the ship as depicted in the trailer end up being the same bird we see in the film?
Because it doesn't look very good?

(Nacelles too large, too much variation in paneling, bridge/saucer proportions wrong, etc.)

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Call me nutty, but I'm waiting to get a better look at the girl before passing judgment.
 
Irishman said:
I'm just curious, not trying to pick a fight. I really want to understand where you're coming from.

Why isn't it okay if the ship as depicted in the trailer end up being the same bird we see in the film?

Because it's not really up to snuff. Many details are missing or out of place. Like the name being off-center) If the nacelles are as big as they look in the trailer, and as close together as that, it'll look Horrible, like the thing I made out of Charles Casimiro's blueprints earlier.

No one has said that the ship won't be the same one that's in the trailer, and this is clearly not a HATE!R thread or anything. It's just that the ship model has a weird, out of proper perspective look.

What's not to understand?
 
ancient said:
Irishman said:
I'm just curious, not trying to pick a fight. I really want to understand where you're coming from.

Why isn't it okay if the ship as depicted in the trailer end up being the same bird we see in the film?

Because it's not really up to snuff. Many details are missing or out of place. Like the name being off-center) If the nacelles are as big as they look in the trailer, and as close together as that, it'll look Horrible, like the thing I made out of Charles Casimiro's blueprints earlier.

No one has said that the ship won't be the same one that's in the trailer, and this is clearly not a HATE!R thread or anything. It's just that the ship model has a weird, out of proper perspective look.

What's not to understand?

Define "up to snuff"?
 
Well, the trailer was made months ago, long before any actual movie shots would need to be started. So I (and others) are wondering if the model isn't finished. Like: Are they gonna put windows on it? Phaser ports? Are they going to make changes in the hull?

Also, as I said, the proportions seem off, possibly due to some artistic 'rearranging' in order to get a dramatic shot. My first post demonstrates these oddities.

We're just speculating, is all.
 
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I don't understand the problem with the name being centered differently. It seems centered to me. The large space between USS and Enterprise has been reduced, and a larger, different font is used instead. :confused:
 
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