"So there's more than Voyager?"

[johnnybear]

A while back, I looked up from the lunch table in the café at my job & exclaimed. "Holy crap! That guy looks just like Bob Newhart.!" (He did) The 23 year old girl sitting next to me immediately piped up rather incredulously, while still ogling her iPhone, "Who the hell is Bob Newhart?"

Despite my crestfallen dismay, I answered as plainly as possible "He had a tv show. 2 actually." Foregoing what should have been silent humility thereafter, she errantly answered back. "Oh really? What were they called?" Still trying to be painfully devoid of sarcasm, I uttered "The Bob Newhart Show, & Newhart"

The entire table started laughing, & now I'm the asshole. A while later, once the embarrassment was over. I told her Bob Newhart was also the elf dad in Will Ferrell's Elf movie. She said "Oooooh. Why didn't you just say that?" Because I'm not a Google search engine that's updated every other day. That's why.

The issue I have is that when I was 23, I & my peers had a FAR vaster knowledge of the 50 or more years of culture prior to then, than these people have of the last 50 years of culture, & yet, we did not have the oracle of all human knowledge resting, at all times, in our pockets

I'm left to assume that more access to knowledge not only doesn't equate to people being more knowledgeable, but in fact must present an effect to the contrary. It's basically the same as people who can eat anything they want, often don't choose to eat very wisely. My culture also suffers from that problem too

Bob Newhart is really Hulk Hogan! They look too much alike to just be brothers even! It's my theory that Newhart drank a formula that turned him into a blonde giant with big muscles and when it wore off just like Dr.Jekyll or even Bruce Banner he had to take another dose!
JB

 

[Tim Thomason]

Okay.Glad we’ve settled that.A man’s gotta know his limitations.

The queen of thorns herself.
Offhand I cannot think of any GOT connection with Trek.Anyone?

Umm... Alexander Siddig is the biggest connection I can think of.

 

[1001001]

Okay.Glad we’ve settled that.A man’s gotta know his limitations.

Hey, you're free to say whatever you want about Voyager, but I don't appreciate the personal comments about me.

Knock it off.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

To me ‘You mean Voyager isn’t the only Trek’ sounds like if somebody said ‘You mean there’s a prequel to Crusade?’ or
if somebody said ‘You mean Joey Tribbiani was on another show before Joey?’

 

[flandry84]

You said you were happy with the mediocre.I took you at face value.
Make your mind up.

Alexander Siddig...of course.Fintan mc Keown too.

 

[1001001]

You said you were happy with the mediocre.I took you at face value.
Make your mind up.

Last warning. Seriously.

Knock it off.

 

[Butters]

Did they never read the credits? The bit where it said “Based upon Star Trek, created by Gene Roddenberry”

Did they not wonder who the Scotty was, every time in popular culture, someone said, beam me up Scotty. We’re they not confused by references to trek characters not on Voyager. Did they not see any adverts for the reboot movies?

This whole thing reminds me of Billy and the Cloneasaurus.

 

[Greg Cox]

To me ‘You mean Voyager isn’t the only Trek’ sounds like if somebody said ‘You mean there’s a prequel to Crusade?’ or
if somebody said ‘You mean Joey Tribbiani was on another show before Joey?’

Next you'll be telling me that Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings.

Seriously, though, I once met a young fan who had no idea that Sigourney Weaver had been in a sci-fi movie before AVATAR!

 

[flandry84]

/\Galaxy quest??

 

[GNDN18]

The issue I have is that when I was 23, I & my peers had a FAR vaster knowledge of the 50 or more years of culture prior to then, than these people have of the last 50 years of culture,

I mean this in all seriousness: there was a lot less (pop)culture to know about when I was in my twenties. A couple of books on the history of TV, the Rolling Stone History of Rock and Roll, Maltin & Scheuer on movies on TV, and I knew everything. These days, with so much new media, not to mention spinoffs building on the old stuff, it’s too much to keep up. At least that’s been my experience.

 

[Captain Rob]

When I had cable the first episode of GOT I saw had Alexander Siddig in it and I thought "Cool... Dr Bashir is in this." And a couple of minutes later they killed him. Crud.
The answer to my question is that both characters, Emma Peel and Victoria Bond, where played by Diana Rigg.

 

[Refuge]

I love Voyager but had seen other Trek pior. I hope those who are into Discovery also get a chance to appreciate its forerunners too.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

When I had cable the first episode of GOT I saw had Alexander Siddig in it and I thought "Cool... Dr Bashir is in this." And a couple of minutes later they killed him. Crud.

You could tell how long he was going to last by how level headed and reasonable he was.

 

[The Old Mixer]

The answer to my question is that both characters, Emma Peel and Victoria Bond, where played by Diana Rigg.

Were you perhaps thinking of Tracy Bond?

 

[Tim Thomason]

The answer to my question is that both characters, Emma Peel and Victoria Bond, where played by Diana Rigg.

I think flandry84 answered your question when he said:

The queen of thorns herself.

Since the Queen of Thorns (Olenna Tyrell) is a GOT character played by Diana Rigg.

 

[Captain Rob]

Oops. I should have said Teresa Bond. I guess Victoria came from watching the show "Victoria" where Diana Rigg is playing a creepy, very old lady of court to Queen Victoria.

 

[lawman]

The issue I have is that when I was 23, I & my peers had a FAR vaster knowledge of the 50 or more years of culture prior to then, than these people have of the last 50 years of culture, & yet, we did not have the oracle of all human knowledge resting, at all times, in our pockets.

Yeah, that's the bit that baffles me. I'm sure such willfully ignorant people do exist, but I have a hard time believing they're anything other than outliers.

I mean, all of us here are (obviously) getting all of these references, regardless of our individual ages and backgrounds. Even if we aren't fans of some particular show or person, we've at least heard of them. This stuff is just part of the cultural air we breathe. For instance, I remember when I watched the first episode of Amazon's The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (great show, if you haven't seen it!), set around 1960, one of the comics was doing a standup routine that made me think "doesn't that sound like a Bob Newhart routine?", and it turned out to be a plot point that it was a Bob Newhart routine.

And we're not all that unusual, right? Right?

(Okay, okay, we're all posting on a Star Trek fan forum, so maybe we are. But honestly, in my experience IRL with a very diverse assortment of friends, most of them are pretty conversant on pop culture. Granted that's not so much true for my current girlfriend, but she has the extremely valid excuse of having grown up in China...)

 

[JirinPanthosa]

The accessibility of knowledge cuts both ways. You have easy access to learn about old TV shows but also you have such easy access to such huge amount of current entertainment, your attention can be completely saturated by it and you don't need to look elsewhere to fill the gaps.

 

[Nyotarules]

(Okay, okay, we're all posting on a Star Trek fan forum, so maybe we are. But honestly, in my experience IRL with a very diverse assortment of friends, most of them are pretty conversant on pop culture

The assumption being most of the world's population lives in the USA.... right?

BTW I've never heard of Bob Newhart.

 

[Spot261]

(Okay, okay, we're all posting on a Star Trek fan forum, so maybe we are. But honestly, in my experience IRL with a very diverse assortment of friends, most of them are pretty conversant on pop culture. Granted that's not so much true for my current girlfriend, but she has the extremely valid excuse of having grown up in China...)

Are we?