So the actual CBS name for the JJverse/NuTrek is...

[Christopher]

Just curious what 'producing' means here. "Bankrolling", "creativity", both or something else altogether?

Bad Robot is the production company making the movie, in partnership with Paramount. J.J. Abrams and Bryan Burk run Bad Robot. So it's both financial and creative, though Abrams focuses more on the creative side and Burk more on the financial and logistical side (as is often the case with producer teams, like Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy, or James H. Nicholson and Samuel Z. Arkoff, the producers of most of Roger Corman's films). So Abrams does oversee things creatively, but since he has a ton of other things to oversee, he generally just lets other people handle the day-to-day creative process and report to him. He has approval and veto power, presumably, but oversees from a distance. So sort of like the role Spielberg played on Joe Dante's Gremlins or Robert Zemeckis's Back to the Future.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I thought we were in Dimension C-137?

Crud. Now I have to admit I don't get your reference. (Ah, Rick and Morty. Thanks, Google.)

Abrams is gone and there's nothing "nu" about it anymore. Good a name as any I guess.

If you wanted to coin a name unrelated to real-world concerns, I would have probably gone with "Nero Timeline" or "Narada Timelime". They're the rogue elements that disrupted the timestream and actually effected the change. The Kelvin just got blown up prematurely. If anything, the Abramsverse should be the Lack-of-Kelvin Timeline...

 

[Christopher]

If you wanted to coin a name unrelated to real-world concerns, I would have probably gone with "Nero Timeline" or "Narada Timelime". They're the rogue elements that disrupted the timestream and actually effected the change. The Kelvin just got blown up prematurely. If anything, the Abramsverse should be the Lack-of-Kelvin Timeline...

There's something to be said for commemorating the victims of a tragedy over the perpetrators. We commemorate Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, not Mitsuo Fuchida Day.

 

[Avro Arrow]

There's something to be said for commemorating the victims of a tragedy over the perpetrators. We commemorate Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, not Mitsuo Fuchida Day.

But as per my earlier post, I'm thinking this will be used a lot more out-of-universe than it will be in-universe, so there aren't "really" any victims of tragedy here.

And by that token, it should be called the "Vulcan Timeline", anyway.

 

[Skywalker]

And by that token, it should be called the "Vulcan Timeline", anyway.

I think you mean the Vulcanless Timeline.

Too soon?

 

[fireproof78]

But as per my earlier post, I'm thinking this will be used a lot more out-of-universe than it will be in-universe, so there aren't "really" any victims of tragedy here.

And by that token, it should be called the "Vulcan Timeline", anyway.

I'm curious as to why? It isn't an arbitrary event but one that changed the course of Starfleet's mission. We see them far more militarized than before, with emphasis on a big Enterprise in the face of the much larger Romulan ship.

From an universe perspective, building up arms makes sense, because the Earth-Romulan war was not that long ago. So, the fear that the Romulans suddenly have some amazing tech means that fear of them starting a new war would lead to a new arms race.

Remember the Kelvin, indeed.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I think you mean the Vulcanless Timeline.

Too soon?

It's 300 years in the future, so perhaps not...

 

[Christopher]

But as per my earlier post, I'm thinking this will be used a lot more out-of-universe than it will be in-universe, so there aren't "really" any victims of tragedy here.

It was coined specifically for the updated Star Trek Encyclopedia, which presents itself as a pseudo-"in-universe" reference. And it's being used for a Star Trek Online campaign that I gather involves some kind of merger between the timelines (as an excuse for incorporating new-movie ship, tech, and species designs into the game alongside the Prime-Universe options for players to choose from), which means they'd need an in-universe way to refer to the timelines. Better a label that can be used both in-universe and out than one that would be useless in-universe.

And by that token, it should be called the "Vulcan Timeline", anyway.

Except the destruction of Vulcan happened 25 years after the timelines diverged. The attack on the Kelvin was the incident that caused the timeline divergence. That's why I chose Pearl Harbor as an analogy -- because it was the inciting incident for America's involvement in the war (although of course the war was already in progress elsewhere). If a group like the DTI or the 29th-century Temporal Integrity Commission were classifying timelines, they'd probably prefer to name a timeline after the specific event that split it off -- for instance, the "Yesterday's Enterprise" timeline might be called the Narendra III Timeline, say.

 

[Tuskin38]

And it's being used for a Star Trek Online campaign that I gather involves some kind of merger between the timelines

No merger, Cryptic is treating it like the Mirror Universe, it is a separate quantum reality, there is a single mission where you cross over.

You'll be able to get the ships/weapons/costumes but that is just for money.

 

[Captain_Amasov]

The official Cryptic blurb concerning the other timeline:

A closer examination of this timeline reveals that it is a divergent reality that split from our own as a result of a confrontation in the 23rd Century, between an unknown Romulan vessel that had been displaced from the time stream, and a Federation starship - the U.S.S. Kelvin. As a result of this temporal incursion, the entire timeline that followed those events has come to be called the "Kelvin Timeline."

So, they're acknowledging that the timeline was one up until the Narada's appearance, then the timeline split in two. I guess thanks to the unusual properties of "Red Matter" created black holes.

 

[Tuskin38]

The official Cryptic blurb concerning the other timeline:

A closer examination of this timeline reveals that it is a divergent reality that split from our own as a result of a confrontation in the 23rd Century, between an unknown Romulan vessel that had been displaced from the time stream, and a Federation starship - the U.S.S. Kelvin. As a result of this temporal incursion, the entire timeline that followed those events has come to be called the "Kelvin Timeline."

So, they're acknowledging that the timeline was one up until the Narada's appearance, then the timeline split in two. I guess thanks to the unusual properties of "Red Matter" created black holes.

Another blog mentions the unusual properties of the Hobus Supernova had something to with it as well, not just the singularity itself.

 

[Christopher]

No merger, Cryptic is treating it like the Mirror Universe, it is a separate quantum reality, there is a single mission where you cross over.

You'll be able to get the ships/weapons/costumes but that is just for money.

Yes, it's the latter thing that I meant -- the incorporation of movie designs into the gameplay, using universal crossover as an excuse. I didn't express it well.

 

[Tuskin38]

OH I apologize then

 

[suarezguy]

I certainly prefer my own name for it, rebootverse (it's technically not a full reboot but it still really is, certainly that was its intention).

 

[Christopher]

I certainly prefer my own name for it, rebootverse (it's technically not a full reboot but it still really is, certainly that was its intention).

Well, you can call it whatever you want in your own mind, but as a term for more general and official usage, something a bit more specific would be needed. After all, it would be unrealistic to expect this to be the only Star Trek reboot we will ever have. I feel that now we've had one, it's set a precedent that will inevitably be followed again (perhaps very soon, when the details of the 2017 TV series are revealed at Comic-Con in a couple of weeks). So eventually you'd get to the point when people would ask "Which 'rebootverse' are you talking about?" (Which is a problem shared by Memory Alpha's blandly generic "Alternate reality" label. I'm surprised they haven't renamed it -- or even begun to debate renaming it, judging from the talk page on that article.)

 

[psCargile]

Actually, if you accept deleted scenes, than Nero spent 25 years in prison. If you don't, then he spent 25. years doing nothing.

A clever script writer would have Nero utilize relativistic travel and time dilation to skip ahead to Spock's estimated time of arrival.

 

[fireproof78]

A clever script writer would have Nero utilize relativistic travel and time dilation to skip ahead to Spock's estimated time of arrival.

Perhaps that would have happened, if a writer's strike didn't happen.

 

[Christopher]

I think the story works better with Nero's 25 years in prison included, because that gives him time for his rage to really harden and intensify to the point of obsession, as well as giving him time to learn about the era he's in. It's too bad that part was cut from the film.

If anything, I wish it had been a few years longer. The movie would've worked better with a "Four Years Later" jump between the Kobayashi Maru portion and the attack on Vulcan, because that would've given Kirk time to rise through the ranks to lieutenant or lieutenant commander, so that it wouldn't have been quite so implausible that he'd be third-in-command of the Enterprise. Also, an extra 4-year jump would've brought Chekov's age in line with that of his Prime counterpart.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Why did it have to be "Kelvin"... why couldn't be something cool like the "Narada timeline" or the "Nero timeline"?

Kelvin.... not cool.

 

[Christopher]

Kelvin.... not cool.

Ohh, I'd say anything below about 290 Kelvin is pretty darn cool...