So, is this a visual reboot of all of trek or just the TOS era?

[Sheridan]

I believe it's pretty clear that Star Trek XI is a reboot but only in a visual sense. In other words it appears different(ship design, set design, costumes etc) but the cannon(story wise) is largely the same. But how far reaching do you think this change is? For instance if Abrams were to do a TNG movie later down the road would it look just as different compared to prior TNG movies/episodes as Star Trek XI is compared to TOS? Or is this change only isolated to the TOS era?

 

[Basil]

It looks to go beyond just visuals -- though all details aren't in, Kirk's relationship with Pike, for instance, seems more substantial than TOS ever suggested, the age of the Enterprise is inconsistent, and it will be interesting to see how Kirk is to reconcile meeting old Spock with later events.

I'm sure some people will argue that somehow none of this directly violates anything (except common sense), but if we go down that route, I hope it some day is revealed that Scotty had a third arm that was just never shown onscreen, McCoy is actually Spock's father, having bagged a drunk Amanda Grayson while she worked at the IHop on Vulcan and he was on shore leave (but just not ever having talked about it all of these years), dilithium is actually the 23rd-century generic name for Reece's Pieces, Mr. Kyle is, in fact, a giant alien hand puppet manipulated by whoever happens to be standing close to him, Starfleet is a division of Walmart, Kirk, Governor Corey, and Dr. Adams once played together in a ska band, and Star Trek is really just the fantasy of an autistic child staring into a Star Wars snowglobe.

 

[TK421]

I don't think it's a reboot so much as a rebirth. At least that's the sense I'm getting. Reboot implies systematic change. Rebirth implies staying true to the spirit of what came before.

 

[Falcor5]

I believe it's pretty clear that Star Trek XI is a reboot but only in a visual sense. In other words it appears different(ship design, set design, costumes etc) but the cannon(story wise) is largely the same. But how far reaching do you think this change is? For instance if Abrams were to do a TNG movie later down the road would it look just as different compared to prior TNG movies/episodes as Star Trek XI is compared to TOS? Or is this change only isolated to the TOS era?

Who knows maybe we will see JJ's interperation of the Ent-E in this movie. There is still a very small chance that the movie starts aboard the Ent-E with Spock on board for a diplomatic mission to Romulas after the events of Nemesis.

 

[Richard Baker]

There is still a very small chance that the movie starts aboard the Ent-E with Spock on board for a diplomatic mission to Romulas after the events of Nemesis.

Wasn't he already on Romulas then? He stayed there after the Unification Part 2. I don't blame him for keeping a low profile in Nemesis.

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[FredH]

So far, my assumption is that Nero's actions upon his arrival from the future in the 2240s have a fairly profound ripple effect, and everything from then on proceeds differently. If that's the case, "Timeline Abrams" diverges from "Timeline Classic" as soon as the Kelvin is attacked. Therefore, none of the "later" stories we know can be presumed to happen--not the original TOS episodes, not TNG's future, not even "The Cage" (since the 1701 is apparently built much later now, if young Kirk sees it under construction).

Sure, that shouldn't affect when Nomad, the Planet Killer, V'Ger and the Whalesong Probe show up. But if 2260s starships are more powerful "now" than they were originally, we might assume that their eventual appearances are handled offscreen, and more easily. (Or not, if someone wants to write remakes.)

Happily, given Scotty's reported offhand reference to Archer and his beagle, in both timelines ENT is canon.

 

[starburst]

Happily, given Scotty's reported offhand reference to Archer and his beagle, in both timelines ENT is canon.

Oh no, do you relise what you have just done, you have started a chain reaction that could bring about the next apocalypse! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

 

[Space Lizard]

Oh my god. XI makes minor visual changes because, to be frank, to look like the 60s series would be stupid, since what was great then is bad now, and everyone's calling it a "reboot". Come on. I'm guessing Nero'll go back, things will change to be all OMG bad, and then Spock will undo it and cause the timeline to go back to normal. I really doubt it will be in any way a actual reboot.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm hoping that it's just the TOS series era(2250s-2260s)that is getting a visual reboot and that both the movie and sequel series eras as well as the overall TOS timeline will still be respected.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Oh my god. XI makes minor visual changes ...

No.

Just as people who say the new Enterprise looks nothing like previous Enterprises, your comment is similarly ludicrous in the opposite direction.

 

[Lyon_Wonder]

So far, my assumption is that Nero's actions upon his arrival from the future in the 2240s have a fairly profound ripple effect, and everything from then on proceeds differently. If that's the case, "Timeline Abrams" diverges from "Timeline Classic" as soon as the Kelvin is attacked. Therefore, none of the "later" stories we know can be presumed to happen--not the original TOS episodes, not TNG's future, not even "The Cage" (since the 1701 is apparently built much later now, if young Kirk sees it under construction).

Sure, that shouldn't affect when Nomad, the Planet Killer, V'Ger and the Whalesong Probe show up. But if 2260s starships are more powerful "now" than they were originally, we might assume that their eventual appearances are handled offscreen, and more easily. (Or not, if someone wants to write remakes.)

Happily, given Scotty's reported offhand reference to Archer and his beagle, in both timelines ENT is canon.

It’s never stated on-screen how old the Enterprise is. "The Cage" took place 13 years before TOS "Menagerie", so the Enterprise could be built in the 2250s at the earliest. Heck, in TSFS Admiral Morrow said that the Enterprise is 20 years old, even though the ship had to be older than that. Captain April made a cameo in TAS, but Paramount doesn’t consider TAS canon. I don’t see any on-screen continuity violations if they show a young kirk riding by the Enterprise being constructed. The Enterprise being built in 2045 is conjecture.

 

[cooleddie74]

So far, my assumption is that Nero's actions upon his arrival from the future in the 2240s have a fairly profound ripple effect, and everything from then on proceeds differently. If that's the case, "Timeline Abrams" diverges from "Timeline Classic" as soon as the Kelvin is attacked. Therefore, none of the "later" stories we know can be presumed to happen--not the original TOS episodes, not TNG's future, not even "The Cage" (since the 1701 is apparently built much later now, if young Kirk sees it under construction).

Sure, that shouldn't affect when Nomad, the Planet Killer, V'Ger and the Whalesong Probe show up. But if 2260s starships are more powerful "now" than they were originally, we might assume that their eventual appearances are handled offscreen, and more easily. (Or not, if someone wants to write remakes.)

Happily, given Scotty's reported offhand reference to Archer and his beagle, in both timelines ENT is canon.

It’s never stated on-screen how old the Enterprise is. "The Cage" took place 13 years before TOS "Menagerie", so the Enterprise could be built in the 2250s at the earliest. Heck, in TSFS Admiral Morrow said that the Enterprise is 20 years old, even though the ship had to be older than that. Captain April made a cameo in TAS, but Paramount doesn’t consider TAS canon. I don’t see any on-screen continuity violations if they show a young kirk riding by the Enterprise being constructed. The Enterprise being built in 2045 is conjecture.

Besides, at worst Kirk is a teen and adolescent when the ship is being built and wouldn't look terribly different from his adult-officer self so there'd be no shocking violation of timeline math overall. Now if the 1701 were built BEFORE Kirk was born and in clear violation of long accepted fan canon of a 2240s construction date? That'd be worth bitching a storm over.

 

[jefferiestubes8]

is this a visual reboot of all of trek

It's not just a re-launching of the film series, but a retooling of the franchise as a younger, hipper product with big-budget effects to complement the gee-whiz gadgets. Less science, more action.

May 3, 2009
Star Trek - the remix: Will the new movie help the franchise get off the ground again?
By KIRK BAIRD
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090503/ART09/905020273/-1/ART09