So, I watched STD - STE FTW!

[Long Syntax]

So, I watched Discovery through CBS All Access from beginning to end. I was so excited to have Star Trek back on the air that I thought any Star Trek is better than no Star Trek. I was wrong.

I loved all the incarnations of ST over the years, sometimes for different reasons, but all of them are special. Enterprise, for many reasons - some personal, allowed me to connect to it in a way STD failed to do. It allowed me to connect to the characters over the length of a season, where the characters in STD (at times) seemed to only be there to service the fast moving / disjointed plot. For me character exploration embeded in a good story is my idea of interesting. The writers of STD never really drew me in or made me care about the characters stumbling through the plot.

So, in my opinion STE wins hands down. Of course there's other seasons to come for STD, but for me I may only watch because of Star Trek being in the title.

 

[Ceridwen]

For me, they aren't in competition, they're complementary. Discovery is such an interesting sequel to Enterprise for me, maybe more than it is an interesting prequel to Star Trek.

 

[Long Syntax]

For me, they aren't in competition, they're complementary. Discovery is such an interesting sequel to Enterprise for me, maybe more than it is an interesting prequel to Star Trek.

I'm glad you enjoyed both, and I would never want to make people choose, they can certainly enjoy both. I just wish I was in the category of enjoying both, as I had such high hopes initially.

 

[Ceridwen]

Oh certainly! And I won't deny there have been some bumps along the way, but then, that was true of Enterprise as well.

 

[ChristopherPike]

The sad truth is that I'm still much more interested in loose ends being tied up onscreen in relation to Enterprise 13 years on... admittedly most of it only established in its last season... than I am in Discovery explaining how it squares with the Original Series.

 

[tomalak301]

The sad truth is that I'm still much more interested in loose ends being tied up onscreen in relation to Enterprise 13 years on... admittedly most of it only established in its last season... than I am in Discovery explaining how it squares with the Original Series.

I still want to see whatever came of the Xindi.

 

[Yanks]

I still want to see whatever came of the Xindi.

They are part of the Federation and serving in Star Fleet in the 2900's

 

[F. King Daniel]

I still want to see whatever came of the Xindi.

They continued to hop universes and timelines until...

 

[waxon]

I was thinking about rewatching ENT despite my hatred of Archer because I do remember being engaged by season one and caring enough about the characters (well when is Archer going to die) to continue watching for a further three seasons. For me STD required me to stop thinking far too often to allow me to rewatch, it was exciting - probably far more exciting than ENT but I don't really know enough about the characters to care about them.

 

[ALF]

All Treks are the intrinsic product of their release years - ENT held a political commentary that was steeped in post 9/11 sentiment. DISCO has dabbled in the concept of race purity, among other things. It will be interesting to see if they steer the ship toward a different social commentary in S2.

I think Enterprise and Discovery are both great, but for completely different reasons and likewise, neither are perfect. And I will always appreciate how good Star Trek always has "something to say." It's nice to watch something worth discussing afterwards. We have a lot of TV entertainment right now which may be good pulp for consumption, but doesn't inspire any critical thinking or deep reflection afterwards.

 

[TrekNut87]

I think Enterprise and Discovery are both great, but for completely different reasons and likewise, neither are perfect. And I will always appreciate how good Star Trek always has "something to say." It's nice to watch something worth discussing afterwards. We have a lot of TV entertainment right now which may be good pulp for consumption, but doesn't inspire any critical thinking or deep reflection afterwards

I agree with this sentiment. For me, DSC started out bumpy; those first two episodes are certainly nothing to write home about. In that respect, I appreciate Broken Bow tenfold.

Unfortunately, I'm one of the viewers that ENT failed to hook on a first go-around. This is where DSC picked up the slack. I felt that, from ep 3 onward it kept getting better and made me ask questions while watching, keeping me engaged. Yeah, the season finale left something to be desired (actually a lot), but it also opened up some interesting scenarios for upcoming seasons. For me, that's refreshing and exciting

Yes, ENT got better over time too, and thanks to H&I, I've been able to rewatch episodes and have enjoyed seasons 3&4 a lot. However, I just can't forgive the first two seasons If the order had been reversed as Brannon Braga suggested, maybe I would've enjoyed the show a bit more. I really did want to like it out of the gate, but it just never happened

 

[BillJ]

I think a toothache has greater entertainment value than Discovery.

 

[1001001]

I think a toothache has greater entertainment value than Discovery.

 

[ialfan]

Discovery can be entertaining at times but it definitely doesn't feel like Star Trek. Even at it's most boring Enterprise is a lot more compelling. Maybe my Star Trek is the product of a time that has passed but at least I have over 700 hours of it to enjoy.

 

[Smoked Salmon]

Discovery can be entertaining at times but it definitely doesn't feel like Star Trek. Even at it's most boring Enterprise is a lot more compelling. Maybe my Star Trek is the product of a time that has passed but at least I have over 700 hours of it to enjoy.

This.

For me Enterprise has higher highs and lower lows than Discovery. Discovery is very consistent in that across all episodes the writing and acting is largely average. There aren't really any episodes or moments that truly stand out as classics. It has a superior cast but doesn't sufficiently use them. Enterprise when it was bad truly stank. Some of the cast were very weak. But when it was good I felt it was a greater compliment to the franchise than Discovery. Episodes like Dear Doctor and Cogenitor, and much of the fourth season, was of a storytelling quality that Discovery has yet top live up to. Discovery is more style over substance and while it looks much nicer and professional, it hasn't yet found it's heart and brain.

 

[Mudd]

I think a toothache has greater entertainment value than Discovery.

Yep. STD is pretty bad.

 

[shivkala]

I'm struggling through watching Enterprise. I started with season 3. Some of the episodes I'd seen before, most I haven't. Each episode feels like a slog to get through. I find none of the characters captivating. In fact, I find many borderline irritating.

I'll continue with season 4. I watched a bunch of those episodes when Enterprise hit Netflix, having given up on it after the first two episodes when it originally aired. I'll give them points for ambition, but I was not impressed with the execution.

Discovery, however, was great. I immediately found the characters interesting, and I was eager for Sunday to come so that I could watch the next episode. For me, it's avoided everything that drove me away from Star Trek, at least television-wise starting with Voyager and continuing with Enterprise.

 

[Long Syntax]

I'm struggling through watching Enterprise. I started with season 3. Some of the episodes I'd seen before, most I haven't. Each episode feels like a slog to get through. I find none of the characters captivating. In fact, I find many borderline irritating.

I'll continue with season 4. I watched a bunch of those episodes when Enterprise hit Netflix, having given up on it after the first two episodes when it originally aired. I'll give them points for ambition, but I was not impressed with the execution.

Discovery, however, was great. I immediately found the characters interesting, and I was eager for Sunday to come so that I could watch the next episode. For me, it's avoided everything that drove me away from Star Trek, at least television-wise starting with Voyager and continuing with Enterprise.

It's a matter of taste for sure. I understand there are some that like Discovery. If I'm being honest, there's a little jealousy on my part as I do miss being excited and anticipating the next episode of a new Trek series.

For some reason I really liked the characters in ENT, and I recall being somewhat against bringing Scott Bakula in as the NX-01 captain, so I wasn't predisposed to liking the series. I was pleasantly surprised with Broken Bow pilot episode and kept watching. I Also thought Jolene Blalock did a great job of portraying a Vulcan .(although some didn't like the drug addiction storyline through season 3).

Seasons one and two were a mixed bag in some cases, but punctuated with great episodes like the Andorian incident, Dead Stop and Carbon Creek. Season 3 story arc was compelling to me. Finally Season 4 was solid, However the space nazi episodes from end of season 3 into 4 I disliked, as well as the mirror universe episodes (which were tolerable, but not my cup of tea and have been done to death in ST). For me, the Series ended with Terra Prime, as TATV was truly a crap episode that pissed off many.

 

[BillJ]

If I'm being honest, there's a little jealousy on my part as I do miss being excited and anticipating the next episode of a new Trek series.

I understand your pain. I still haven't brought myself to watch the last three episodes of DSC. I am just in a major malaise where it is concerned.

 

[shivkala]

It's a matter of taste for sure. I understand there are some that like Discovery. If I'm being honest, there's a little jealousy on my part as I do miss being excited and anticipating the next episode of a new Trek series.

I can certainly appreciate that. After riding high on TNG and DS9, I did feel that since I lost interesting in Voyager and quickly gave up on Enterprise. From roughly 1997 (freshman year at college for me and I didn't have a TV, so I watched DS9 mostly in re-runs) through 2017, I felt something missing.

It's also refreshing to see that. So much of the anti-Discovery posts I've seen here and elsewhere around the internet try to make criticisms of Discovery come off as "facts." I would no more claim Enterprise is a bad show, objectively, than I would tolerate the same being said of Discovery. In fact there are moments when I see the potential Enterprise had.

For some reason I really liked the characters in ENT, and I recall being somewhat against bringing Scott Bakula in as the NX-01 captain, so I wasn't predisposed to liking the series. I was pleasantly surprised with Broken Bow pilot episode and kept watching. I Also thought Jolene Blalock did a great job of portraying a Vulcan .(although some didn't like the drug addiction storyline through season 3).

She did add some nuance to the character. I do dislike the drug addiction storyline, but at the same time, I like the dynamic of having a Vulcan put into a situation where she is basically starting at square one in terms of dealing with emotions.

Seasons one and two were a mixed bag in some cases, but punctuated with great episodes like the Andorian incident, Dead Stop and Carbon Creek. Season 3 story arc was compelling to me. Finally Season 4 was solid, However the space nazi episodes from end of season 3 into 4 I disliked, as well as the mirror universe episodes (which were tolerable, but not my cup of tea and have been done to death in ST). For me, the Series ended with Terra Prime, as TATV was truly a crap episode that pissed off many.

I remember seeing "Dead Stop" and "The Andorian Incident" when they aired (not sure if it was originally or in summer re-runs). Neither impressed me much, sad to say. I felt the Vulcans seemed out of character in the latter. Jeffrey Combs, however, is a treasure. I did skip ahead and re-watch the Mirror Universe two-parter due to Discovery. I liked that they did it entirely in the Mirror Universe, which added a unique spin, since the other Mirror Universe episodes all bring characters from our universe over. I thought it was brilliant to link it to "The Tholian Web," even if it did get a little timey-wimey.

I've seen TATV, but I intend to skip it when I get to it. Watching SF Debris' review of it recently was painful enough. It's sad that fans were left with that and nothing else, TV-wise, for 12 years.