So, I was just looking at some measurements:

[Captain Robert April]

One of the concepts that was incorporated into the Galaxy class was that large sections were deliberately left unfinished, so that the crew would have the opportunity to do whatever the hell they needed to do with the space depending on the situation they found themselves in at any given time.

 

[Mytran]

According to the Whitefire plans, they had malls and casinos too!

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ and a grotto, don't forget the grotto.

 

[Wingsley]

And for future JJVerse ships to be in the same general ratio as old ships, they would have to be enormous

The old ships:
Constitution 289 meters; 430 crew
Excelsior 511.25 meters; 750 crew
Ambassador 478.5 meters; 700 crew
Galaxy 642.51 meters; 1014 crew
Sovereign 685 meters; 855 crew

New Ships
Constitution 725.35 meters; 1100 crew
Excelsior 1278.12 meters; 1912 crew
Ambassador 1196 meters; 1785 crew
Galaxy 1606.275 meters; 2585 crew
Sovereign 1712.5 meters; 2180 crew

All of the original measurements come from memory alpha. I used a formula of 2.5(OL)=NL and 2.55(OC)=(NC)
OL=Old Length
NL=New Length
OC=Old Crew
NC=New Crew.

As you can see, the New Constitution class is larger than a Galaxy class!

I have no opinion about it either way, these measurements are to help people who want to design JJVerse ships.

You left out the JJ Kelvin.

 

[Vance]

Remember, though, we are talking about a universe where people are shown in diagrams as being six meters tall (Art of the Film). As I have said before, the wrtiers clearly confused meters for feet and never did a conversion.

 

[Nevyn]

According to some scenes in the latest film, the "new" Enterprise is indeed much bigger than the Galaxy class. However, the size of the ship isn't consistent; other scenes show us a ship of only 350 meters. I believe the second is the right one, and they just made mistakes when scaling the ship. It's know to happen.

Of course, hearing about a scout ship with a crew of 800 doesn't really help. By rule scouts are small crafts with a small crew; 800 is simply too much. This is probably because Abrams is more of a Star Wars fan, and assumed because they have really big ships with lots and lots of crewmebers, the same applies for Trek ships. Only, it doesn't.

In short, the NU Enterprise is about as big as its prime universe counterpart.

 

[Captain Robert April]

^ JJ and Co. disagree with you, and it's their ship so they should know.

 

[Nevyn]

^ JJ and Co. disagree with you, and it's their ship so they should know.

Considering that the previous generation of ship designers had it wrong from time to time, I see no reason why the current generation would be different.

 

[Vance]

^ JJ and Co. disagree with you, and it's their ship so they should know.

They ALSO say that people are 6m tall... so there's that.

 

[Dukhat]

^ JJ and Co. disagree with you, and it's their ship so they should know.

Considering that the previous generation of ship designers had it wrong from time to time, I see no reason why the current generation would be different.

The VFX crew for this movie have explicitly stated that the new Enterprise is far larger than the original. The debate is not about if the ship is bigger, but by exactly how much.

 

[Captain Robert April]

^ JJ and Co. disagree with you, and it's their ship so they should know.

They ALSO say that people are 6m tall... so there's that.

Which should also make it clear just how attentive to detail they were about the rest of this flick.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ JJ and Co. disagree with you, and it's their ship so they should know.

Considering that the previous generation of ship designers had it wrong from time to time, I see no reason why the current generation would be different.

The VFX crew for this movie have explicitly stated that the new Enterprise is far larger than the original. The debate is not about if the ship is bigger, but by exactly how much.

According to people in the know, it's not even up for debate anymore. We know for a fact that the ship is about 725 meters long.

 

[Captain Robert April]

With a crew of six meter tall humans.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

^ Don't know where you keep getting that reference, but it's not in the John Eaves Blog.

apart from which, considering that 6 meter tall aliens do exist in the Trekiverse, it's not all that implausible that Starfleet hires mostly Zentraedi construction workers for their starship projects.

 

[Nevyn]

Don't know where you keep getting that reference, but it's not in the John Eaves Blog.

From the film itself, we know how tall the average human is, we see them next to shuttle crafts and we see said shuttles next to the Enterprise. So either we have 6 meters tall humans and a ship of +700 meters, or ordinary humans and a ship of 350 meters. The second seems more likely.

As for the creators saying otherwise, in Trek canon live-action out-rules information given by the producers and staff. Even if it's the guy who made the ship.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Don't know where you keep getting that reference, but it's not in the John Eaves Blog.

From the film itself, we know how tall the average human is, we see them next to shuttle crafts and we see said shuttles next to the Enterprise. So either we have 6 meters tall humans...

Or "we" don't have a good enough view of those shuttlecraft "next to the hull" to determine this with any degree of accuracy.

Still, if you're going to simply ignore what production sources say about the size of the ship, then there's nothing to indicate the TOS ship wasn't also around 700 meters either. You can just throw together any half-assed pseudo-logical analysis to support any size you prefer.

As for the creators saying otherwise, in Trek canon live-action out-rules information given by the producers and staff.

And the specific live action that shows a 6 meter tall human is...?

 

[Vance]

So, Alpha, which is it? The movie-on-film is the only exact measurement to take (in which case we have a ship that goes from smaller than TOS to larger than a SSD depending on the shot), the Art of the Film with the blatant m/ft error, or the blog which has no bearing on jack crap?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

So, Alpha, which is it? The movie-on-film is the only exact measurement to take (in which case we have a ship that goes from smaller than TOS to larger than a SSD depending on the shot)

But there ARE no exact measurements in the film, and none of the shots you are referring to (if you are referring to anything at all) are inconsistent with the larger size anyway. More importantly, a number of those shots EXPLICITLY establish the larger size anyway, whether you choose to ignore them or not.

It's not as if there's a scene in the movie where the Enterprise is sitting in space dock next to a 350 meter yardstick with clearly-labelled numbers visible on screen. The scale of the ship is only clearly established twice: once by the shuttlebay landing scene and once by the pullout from the bridge window. Most others are at best ambiguous and do nothing to establish EITHER figure.

Of course, the earlier point stands: you've just yourself claimed that the new Enterprise isn't much bigger than the old one, but the only reason we know anything about the TOS size is because of those back stage sources and art books. If you want to disregard the new sources, I can disregard the old ones, and you'd be correct: the new ship is 716 meters long because the TOS Enterprise was 716 meters long.

 

[Timo]

If the movie cannot be used for establishing the size of the ship, I declare her five and one-quarter inches long. And that's definite. I got it from an authoritative source that trumps all of yours: my very own computer screen, faithfully reproducing preproduction artwork.

Of course, both the STXI and TOS ships have definite sizes established on screen. Several sizes, in fact. The STXI ship has her size established by comparison with her shuttlecraft which are of known size, and by comparison with crew of known size peeking out of windows. That's two sizes already. The TOS ship has her size established by comparison with her shuttlecraft, too - but before TOS-R, the only way we could make that comparison was by comparing the shuttles against the insides of the bay doors, since no exterior views existed. And then her size is established by comparison with adversary spacecraft, of which exactly one is of known size - the cube from "Corbomite Maneuver". Again, those give two very different sizes.

Which may be enough of a reason to close your eyes whenever watching Star Trek, and instead read the definite statements of her makers. In which case the five and one-quarter inches size stands triumphant. As does the 716 m size. And several others. So perhaps we don't actually win all that much by taking that approach...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[thesovereignman]

And for future JJVerse ships to be in the same general ratio as old ships, they would have to be enormous

The old ships:
Constitution 289 meters; 430 crew
Excelsior 511.25 meters; 750 crew
Ambassador 478.5 meters; 700 crew
Galaxy 642.51 meters; 1014 crew
Sovereign 685 meters; 855 crew

New Ships
Constitution 725.35 meters; 1100 crew
Excelsior 1278.12 meters; 1912 crew
Ambassador 1196 meters; 1785 crew
Galaxy 1606.275 meters; 2585 crew
Sovereign 1712.5 meters; 2180 crew

All of the original measurements come from memory alpha. I used a formula of 2.5(OL)=NL and 2.55(OC)=(NC)
OL=Old Length
NL=New Length
OC=Old Crew
NC=New Crew.

As you can see, the New Constitution class is larger than a Galaxy class!

I have no opinion about it either way, these measurements are to help people who want to design JJVerse ships.

You left out the JJ Kelvin.

There is no official measurement for the JJ kelvin, so I didn't include it.